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Faith 
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Message 46 of 99 (809451)
05-18-2017 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Coyote
05-18-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
God is the God of science as well as everything else, like it or not.

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Message 49 of 99 (809466)
05-18-2017 12:58 PM
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05-18-2017 12:46 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
Kindly keep the context in mind. I'm talking about how a Bible believer has to go about this, and knowing that the Bible is God's own revelation is prior to all else, so this mindless refrain about having to start from some other evidence is totally absolutely irrelevant. If God is God and the Bible is His word it would be idiotic to start with anything but His revelation. Just logic should tell you that much.

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Message 50 of 99 (809471)
05-18-2017 1:00 PM
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05-18-2017 12:58 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
Funny how "science" has the biggest holes of all, the denial of the clear evidence of the strata and the fossils. Elephant in the room.

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Message 52 of 99 (809474)
05-18-2017 1:03 PM
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05-18-2017 1:01 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
Can't even follow the logic I see.

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Message 66 of 99 (809516)
05-18-2017 5:51 PM


As I understand it I'm allowed to start from my biblical premises in this debate. If it is not allowed the debate does not exist, and a notice to that effect should be posted clearly for all who dare to enter here. But if it is allowed then all this snarky debunking is out of line.

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Message 67 of 99 (809518)
05-18-2017 5:52 PM
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05-18-2017 5:48 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
The mere existence of such a depth of strata and such an abundance of dead things is what I'm talking about, that alone is the evidence for the Flood, there is no other explanation needed.

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Faith 
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Message 72 of 99 (809534)
05-18-2017 6:39 PM
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05-18-2017 6:06 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
Faith writes:
The mere existence of such a depth of strata and such an abundance of dead things is what I'm talking about, that alone is the evidence for the Flood, there is no other explanation needed.
There is an explanation needed for why these strata are separated by millions or even billions of years.
The explanation is that they aren't. The idea is ridiculous on the face of it, just open your eyes, just think. Really, just think. Separated sediments laid down by water millions of years apart. I know you have to believe it, but it's utterly absurd.
There is an explanation needed why organic fossils do not have the same 14C content throughout the fossil record.
Obviously there is something wrong with your dating systems. If you just really really considered the strata as they appear to us it's the dating system you'd have to question.
ABE: Second thought, you don't know when the creatures lived and died but being at different times says nothing about when the whole mass of them was deposited in a layer. Simply BEING deposited in a layer is evidence for Flood deposition and certainly not for a time period of millions of years. Sheesh. /abe
There is an explanation needed for chalk layers that are hundreds of feet thick.
Why? There are also sandstone layers that are hundreds of feet thick. All the layers were obviously deposited by the same means. Just look at them. Oh I know it's hopeless.
There is an explanation for deposits thousands of feet thick that contain nearly 100% crinoid plates.
None of those explanations is a flood.
Well it sure isn't time periods of millions of years each.
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Message 74 of 99 (809543)
05-18-2017 7:23 PM
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05-18-2017 7:12 PM


Re: Leonardo inadvertently proves the Flood
That's such nonsense. Sediments as we see them in the geological column, such as in the GC, covering such huge areas to such huge depths, are not being deposited around the world. No. And bazillions of living things are not being buried in them. That took the Flood. Talk about ad hoc.; These are phony baloney totally inadequate attempts to pretend the Flood didn't cause the strata.
Really, all you have to do is LOOK, really LOOK, and think, really THINK. Sheesh.
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Message 88 of 99 (809593)
05-19-2017 11:14 AM
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05-19-2017 11:03 AM


No geo column in the oceans
Nobody ever shows the strata at the bottom of the oceans of course though it keeps being pushed as the ongoing site of the same kind of sedimentation as the geological column. Of course it's not and couldn't possibly be. Flat layers of sediments, extensive without encountering obstacles, no, not possible. Compare to walls of Grand Canyon. The geological column is over and done with, a product of the Flood.
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Message 96 of 99 (809643)
05-19-2017 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Dredge
05-19-2017 8:51 PM


The Elect
Hi Dredge,
I know this is off topic but I have to answer: I think scripture is clear that we ARE to know we're the Elect if we are. It isn't pride, we don't elect ourselves, the Elect know God has chosen us. Some of us even came "kicking and screaming" into the Kingdom against our will. (C.S. Lewis said that of himself. I recently read a couple of books by Rosaria Butterfield who was converted out of her happy life as a professor of English and lesbian leader of the LGBT community in the late nineties. She describes her conversion as a "train wreck" saying she "lost everything but the dog." She and others assert the Calvinist understanding that the drawing of the Holy Spirit is irresistible, that we are converted in spite of ourselves.)
I think the gospel and letters of John in particular make it clear we are supposed to know if we're saved -- he says at the end that's why he wrote his gospel --"that ye might know ye have eternal life," and he writes to a woman in one of his letters whom he addresses as "the elect lady."
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Wish I could think of something to say about the Grand Canyon suit to tie this into the topic. How about: I think we should be very loud about our creationist opinions but I don't think we should try to force them on society. Laugh your head off when you see one of those signs at a major geological landmark that tells you it's millions of years old, but don't sue them.
There.
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