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Message 4 of 27 (808732)
05-12-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by PaulK
05-12-2017 11:34 AM


My observation is that debate, a real debate has a competitive intellectual edge to it, because reason and logic and math and science do have discerning qualities to them when applied to any question.
Real science can be proven and tested
SEE Science is a REVEALED TRUTH thread
Real science, and its discerning properties and discerning means should be taught to our students rather than indocrinating them with theories without meaning or without backing. Give them the tools for discernment and they can be winners as individuals, unswayed by the majority so to their own selves they can be TRUE.
Most groupie, majority opininated debaters cower into their supposed opinion just because they out number the minority or a single poster. They are subjective in almost all cases and refuse to discuss anything or say anything. They are whoosies and basically cowards in most cases.
A real debate gets readers or listeners into thinking about the posts and principles mentioned. Forget the posters they seldom change their minds, especially under the duress of the majority who intimidate them on line and in real life and in real schools.
Debate needs to be open and honest, and two sided. and then it is valuable. Then there is a winner and losers as truth always has a side and is backed by principles and laws and real life.
Amen ? Amen !

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 9 of 27 (808958)
05-15-2017 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by NoNukes
05-14-2017 11:11 PM


Agreed, both sides should answer questions in a real debate.
If one topic is promoted on a subject, the other side of the topic should also be promoted and discussed or debated.
And truly the best threads are RESEARCH threads, where all research a topic and try to forward their insights... such as the Research THREAD (LIGHT SPEED BY DESIGN) I proposed and started and improved on with two new additions as we went along. It helped me further the concept from my standpoint.
In other words even evolutionists can present their new theory to evolutionists and creationists and see if it makes sense. If there are no objective scientific differences, then its possible the theory is more than a theory.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 11 of 27 (809714)
05-20-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
05-15-2017 12:18 PM


I hate losers because they are such whimps and can not be trusted when the going gets tough, maybe its ny background as a athlete or mountain man, then again surely it stems from being a Christian. Why because Jesus was not a whimp and a whoosie, He had guts and courage to fight the dam religionists and politicians, and mobs.
I love winning and being on the side of truth and logic and science, and justice. I believe in fair play and rules, not intimidation by mobs and congregations and preachers. I hate forced indocrination whether in schools or in the pews.
I like and love freedom and CHOICE.
Its all about choice and equality
ProphecyDiscernment-EqualityandChoice

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 13 of 27 (809721)
05-20-2017 12:21 PM
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05-20-2017 12:02 PM


Ringo, to thine own self be true... is the principle. Be an individual, Ringo, quite being swayed by majority unthinking intimidation into compliance. Be an individual, and then you can love yourself and live with yourself.
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Faceless Hordes
Jesus calls His people by NAME even giving them a NEW NAME individually and not as a group of groupies. He knows
them personally and intimately and each of them is an individual and not some clone of some idealized spiritualized molded
original.
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name,
which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give
to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth
saving he that receiveth it.
The LORD loves originality and individual choice through his God-given freedoms and bounds, which's why He has chosen
his people from ALL NATIONS on the face of the Earth. He won't select one nation or one tribe, or one religious group. The
Lord's called out ONES are unique, one of a kind individuals. They each have a recognizable face here and now and will have
the same enhanced features into eternity. We are not faceless and nameless robots, without emotion and without opinions.
We are real people, but the Devil's horde are not so. They literally become nameless and faceless in Hell, even without
genitals. (Book of Adam and Book of Enoch) For even the Devil, himself, eventually becomes just one of the non-thinking
horde, or 'goyums' as they say of him, "Is this the man that made the Earth to tremble, and did shake kingdoms." As a carcass
trodden under foot in the stones of the pit (See Hollow Earth), the Devil will be humbled into obscurity, as will all the proud.
Some of the wicked may eventually learn their lesson and have some sort of restitution because the mercy of the Lord is
everlasting, whereas the Devil has absolutely no chance before his infinite destruction. He becomes a whimp, a nameless,
faceless, ball-less has-been non-entity. For most likely even at the Great White Throne Judgment because people didn't
recognize the LAMB (Jesus) personally and individually they will probably be grouped into herds of goats.
The Lord surely won't judge them separately, taking up His precious time with those that never cared to think, pray,
discern, or work for others. Surely they will be grouped into their groupie categories and they will come before their Creator
as a group by number or group name to be judged accordingly en mass. Such would be a true and righteous way of judging
them according to their own belief or lack of belief. Whereas, we that aspire to love the LORD our Bridegroom with all our
heart, soul, strength, and MIND, pray we become part of His BRIDE. For only then are we called by our name and His
NEW NAME, and we are called to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb
We have a face and He recognizes our Name because Jesus knows us and never loses any of 'His Sheep'.
In My Opinion and according to scriptures
Jordan Fisherman (Jay)

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 17 of 27 (810294)
05-27-2017 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by dwise1
05-26-2017 5:37 PM


Why debate, why not research
Agreed for a change, why do evolutionists refuse to research and just talk about facts and theories. I would assume it is because their theory is wrapped toooo much around their lives and jobs and lifestyle and religion.
But Yes, I started a research thread concerning the 'DESIGN of the Speed of Light' and made headway as I researched in about the 30th response.....
Research threads can be much more beneficial than mere non thinking one line denials as with evolutionary responses and their very sensitive atitudes.
Evolutionists need not fear math and true science. True science always wins, lets discuss it.
Amen ? Amen !

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 20 of 27 (810307)
05-27-2017 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by New Cat's Eye
05-27-2017 1:34 PM


Me, I enjoy the fray, the battle, especially when I know I am on the winning side. I mean, how can design lose to no design. How can intelligence get defeated by no intelligence.
Fighting evolution and atheism is truly easy, and hardly gets the neurons a thinking and connecting, because atheists and evolutionists are not thinkers, they have no experiences and no science to back them up.
I mean once an evolutionists learns that their theory is based on luck and chance, thats the end of their so called learning, because nothingelse follows or is connected to their theory... its either luck and chance, or chance and luck. They know it all after they settle for luck and chance as the design mechanism.
Similiarly athiests connect nothing with nothing and so have no foundation..... which is why they are so irritable and cranky, and bias in their thinking and non thinking.
How sad, but their minds get clogged by their religions.

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 22 of 27 (810365)
05-28-2017 10:54 AM


Tabernacle of the Sun..Tent of the Sun
Christians and creationists do enter the fray and post !!
Dont sit on the sidelines, study science, genetics, and biology. Get experience and participate...
Dont be whimpy and run like evolutionists do when confounded by facts and truths and biology. Dont be afraid of science, its meant to educate you.. and give you a greater appreciation of what surrounds you.
Enjoy the fray....
4Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of the world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun, 5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. 6Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
Wow...thanks... thats another direct exact verse, showing that the tabernacle of the Sun.. is called the tent of the sun, in this verse.
Missed it previously, just more confirmations brethren
Awesome find !!!
I should add it to the Exact Speed of Ligh by Design thread but it was closed ...

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 24 of 27 (810419)
05-29-2017 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
05-28-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Win for love and peace
See 1200 articles that I have written.... and all my posts HEREIN.
Also note the bible references.... as a strong man to run a race, rejoiceth... He's a fit athelte, with experiences and training and a will to compete and WIN.
I hate losing, because the majority oppresses the so called losers who are humbler and sweeter than the poor and the oppressed. Lets fight for love and peace rather than war and warmongering greed.

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 27 of 27 (810458)
05-29-2017 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
05-29-2017 12:48 PM


Re:Just ask the Lord ....
I prefer research threads rather than debates as evolutionists are admant about their belief system and I as a long time design person and science person and full time missionary for forty some years am convinced that Jesus is the Creator, and know the science behind His abilities.
Research gets someplace whereas debates are hard core and only help READERS decide the truths involved. This is why I answer so many questions from different perspectives and different angles, to convince READERS and not to convince the hardcore evolutionists who always want more and more answers when they refuse to answer any questions themselves. Its an old ploy by debaters.
SEE Proveit
No, Phat, of course we know Jesus won, but the science of creationism is there and the design in all areas of physics and chemistry and mathematics and geography all point to design rather than luck and chance. For again I repeat.... the Lord dsaid... it is the glory of God to hide sopmething, but the honor of kings to find it out... (Look up that verse, if interested)
MathematicsMysteries
It means, the truths of life are a little hidden but if you search with a full heart and a FULL MIND, you can discover the truths.
There is nothing hid that shall not be revealed... (Look that one up)
aND THE lORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAYS..seek AND YE SHALL FIND...IF YOU LACK WISDOM JUST ASK him... ASK ASK ASK, AND SEEK AND YE OR YOU SHALL FIND. iTS A PROMISE AND IS true in all areas of life not just the spiritual but all areas of life. Excuse the CAPS Im a pecker, and afast one at that because I refused to pay someone to type up my work in University)
Im not special anyone can hear from the Lord, anyone can discover design... I mean its totally illogical and irrational to assume the Lord in His greatness totally hid all these truths so no one could know them...
What did King David say..
I am wonderfully made by the Hand of the Lord.. (look it up,)
Trying to say I am special and different and isolated is an untruth and just an excuse to NOT seek and search out truths of the Lord.
Just use an open heart and mind and ask HIM if you have questions.
Mysteries can be solved ..... either in a one way debate or a two way research thread, alone or together... solutions can be found, answers can be found.
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Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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