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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
Davidjay 
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Message 226 of 323 (809689)
05-20-2017 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by RAZD
05-17-2017 8:36 PM


Re: As mentioned evolutionists never answer questions
Color does not prove mutational advancement or branching nor is it a PROOF for evolution.

You cant have it both ways, evolutionists..

You say babies are different, and that consequently we are evolving and branching out from the original babies of our ancestors

Yes they are different, different in every generation, because you have mutations your parents did not have. This is measured and documented and it would be dumb and stupid to say otherwise.

You illogically deny that this shows your racist doctrine, even though you want to say and state and claim that new babies are different. Thats ridicuolous...... either state babies are the same like creationists say, or state they are differtent and accept the racist doctrine foundation.

We humans are the same as always since the BEGINNING, our children do not have different brains and systems and skin and hair than us,

Your doctrine to put it mildly is a lie....

Humans are not evolving, recombination of genetic material is our created variation by our CREATOR, to give variety..

Inbreeding is not evolution, colour change is not evolution..... take a course in genetics and retract your inconsistent claims.

Evolutionists ploy are as bad as the leader who said, you just have to tell a big enough lie, and then people will accept it because it is BIG and outrageous.

Evolution is a BIG LIE

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/EvolutionisaBIGLIE.html

Eight pages


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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Message 227 of 323 (809716)
05-20-2017 12:04 PM
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05-20-2017 10:52 AM


Re: As mentioned evolutionists never answer questions
You say babies are different, ...

Which they are, from height and weight to fingerprints and iris patterns, each is unique individual.

... and that consequently we are evolving and branching out from the original babies of our ancestors

Ah, no. That is you pretending to know something about evolution while failing at it. It's just same old same old family tree branching, from grandparents to parents to children to grandchildren, ... etc etc etc.

But we are all Homo sapiens sapiens, and the species isn't branching into new species (yet). A species branches when it divides into two reproductively isolated populations that evolve independently of each other. That does not apply to humans, because while it has divided into several different populations in several different ecologies, they remain reproductively compatible and continue to share genetic traits between different populations.

You illogically deny that this shows your racist doctrine, even though you want to say and state and claim that new babies are different. Thats ridicuolous...... either state babies are the same like creationists say, or state they are differtent and accept the racist doctrine foundation.

So far, it seems, only you think the branching of family trees is somehow racist (although you have failed completely to make your case for this on your thread Evolution is a racist doctrine). You have several questions there to answer related directly to you silly claim.

You illogically deny that this shows your racist doctrine, even though you want to say and state and claim that new babies are different. Thats ridicuolous...... either state babies are the same like creationists say, or state they are differtent and accept the racist doctrine foundation.

Your inability or wilful failure to understand the concepts of evolution is not my problem.

We humans are the same as always since the BEGINNING, our children do not have different brains and systems and skin and hair than us,

Your doctrine to put it mildly is a lie....

Humans are not evolving, recombination of genetic material is our created variation by our CREATOR, to give variety..

Inbreeding is not evolution, colour change is not evolution..... take a course in genetics and retract your inconsistent claims.

Evolutionists ploy are as bad as the leader who said, you just have to tell a big enough lie, and then people will accept it because it is BIG and outrageous.

Evolution is a BIG LIE

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/EvolutionisaBIGLIE.html

Eight pages

Where is your diagram of people's ancestry? Where is your evidence that validates that diagram?

Without a real alternative backed by real evidence, all you have is your personal opinion.

Enjoy


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Message 228 of 323 (809720)
05-20-2017 12:17 PM
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05-20-2017 12:04 PM


Re:
Thanks Raz, for answering where humans came from.... much appreciated.... because evolutionists flatly refuse to answer the multitude of embarassing questions that can be asked of them..

Raz says through his posted graph that humans came from
( http://www.evcforum.net/Messages.php?control=replynew&m=8... Message 328 )

Humans came from Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

I win, evolutionist is such a lie and so bogus, to be almsot laughable if it wasnt taken so seriously by the evolutionists.

Its just semantics brethren and non brethren, just word manipulation and spelling...

Read it again and marvel, that evolutionists actually believe our ancestors followed this spelling lineage......

Humans ancestor was Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

More concisely put in a flow chart for clarity

Human-Homininae-Hominidae-Hominoidae-Hominoidea....

There it is BREAKING NEWS, we humans evolved from Hominoidea's 20 million years ago..... our ancestors are hominoidea's..

I say our ancestors were humans, the same as us.

Evolutionists say different, you choose your ancestor, and see if spelling is the defining factor or whether truth and science and common sense prevails.

**************************

You see Raz, your theory is mere semantics and word twisting classifications, but you have no transition forms or species or evidence.... let alone a MISSING LINK...

You just shuffle your letters around to form new words, and bedazzle the guillible.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 229 of 323 (809745)
05-20-2017 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Davidjay
05-20-2017 12:17 PM


Which thread do you want this answered on? Updated
You've posted exactly the same thing on four threads (so far anyway), which is spamming and a troll trait.

Which thread do you want the answer on:

This one (Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection' Message 228)
or
A good summary of so called human evolution. Message 127
or
Evolution is a racist doctrine Message 347
or
The story of Bones and Dogs and Humans Message 8

or do you want me to pick?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Enjoy

Update - See A good summary of so called human evolution. Message 131 for reply


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Message 230 of 323 (809961)
05-22-2017 12:13 PM
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05-20-2017 12:17 PM


Re: Re:
Davidjay writes:

Humans came from Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

Humans ARE Homininae, and humans ARE Hominidae. We didn't evolve from those groups. We ARE those groups.


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Message 231 of 323 (810313)
05-27-2017 6:57 PM
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05-22-2017 12:13 PM


Re: Re:
Yes, its just semantics...... again you dont know math or SET LAW.

I didnt ask for the present grouping and nomenclature of species and kinds and breeds etc... I asked for our ancestry... aflow chart.

Changing the group via a more inclusive name by changing a letter here or there is hardly true science... just a way of grouping what exists....

Evolution says one species or kind evolved into a new species or kind..

What was our ancestor, and who was their ancestor or father.

This isn't higher math, its just a simple straight forward question, that deserves a straight forward answer..

Humans came from _________.
_______ came from _________.
________ evolved from _______.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 232 of 323 (810434)
05-29-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Davidjay
05-27-2017 6:57 PM


Clearly, it's impossible to debunk selection
Davidbat writes:

What was our ancestor,

Batmen (Homo-baticus - see artist's impression below).

We have conclusive evidence of this from atavisms, like the man/bat transformers of South-eastern Europe who sleep in coffins and live in huge gothic castles, and in other humans, like your good self, who are rather obviously batty.

Davidbatty writes:

... and who was their ancestor or father.

Bats, obviously.

Nearly fifty batty posts, now. So, when are you going to start debunking selection?

Count Batula


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Message 233 of 323 (810466)
05-29-2017 7:56 PM
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05-29-2017 12:01 PM


Re: Clearly, it's impossible to debunk selection
I agree, you dont know who our ancestors are or were.

Thanks for further proof, that you can not answer that question.

If you evolutionists knew, you would have stated such, but you do not know.

I *** evolutionists ****


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 234 of 323 (810472)
05-30-2017 2:47 AM
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05-29-2017 7:56 PM


Re: Clearly, it's impossible to debunk selection
Davidjay writes:

I agree, you dont know who our ancestors are or were.
Thanks for further proof, that you can not answer that question.

If you evolutionists knew, you would have stated such, but you do not know.

I *** evolutionists ****

We descend from Santa Claus. If you are going to talk about biology like an ignorant child, then you deserve children's answers.

In the O.P., you promise that you are going to debunk selection. So, the people you call "evolutionists" have presented you with several examples of natural selection in action, like this one of environmental adaptation in Oldfield Mice and you haven't debunked any of them.

"Natural selection" is the environmental influence on population groups of organisms. It's a real, observable phenomenon.

So, you've set yourself the impossible task of trying to show that something which does exist doesn't exist.

Instead of continuing to beat around the bush and change the subject, why not take the honest route, admit that natural selection happens, and confess that your O.P. was a result of your ignorance of biology?

If not, start "debunking".


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Message 235 of 323 (810490)
05-30-2017 10:41 AM
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05-27-2017 6:57 PM


Re: Re:
Davidjay writes:

Yes, its just semantics...... again you dont know math or SET LAW.
I didnt ask for the present grouping and nomenclature of species and kinds and breeds etc... I asked for our ancestry... aflow chart.

Changing the group via a more inclusive name by changing a letter here or there is hardly true science... just a way of grouping what exists....

Evolution says one species or kind evolved into a new species or kind..

What was our ancestor, and who was their ancestor or father.

This isn't higher math, its just a simple straight forward question, that deserves a straight forward answer..

Humans came from _________.
_______ came from _________.
________ evolved from _______.

None of which has to do with the topic. The topic is selection, not ancestry. You still haven't answered the question:

How do you explain why we see black mice in areas with black rocks and brown mice in areas with brown dirt?


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Message 236 of 323 (810493)
05-30-2017 10:49 AM
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05-30-2017 10:41 AM


Re:
Agreeed, evolutionists dont know where us humans came from....

Because none of them can answer the question...

Its the major focus of their research and bone digging and imagainations that they send off to their artists for their grapghic depictions, and yet none of them know from where we came.

But allow me to answer from a creationists scientific perspective.

We came from humans, the original couple was human just as we are human.

Our size may be taller and we now have more skin colours, but we're still just humans. Humans beget humans. Mystery solved, no evolution, no branching, no beneficial magical new mutations with new limbs and new organs, just the SAME.

Remember size and color are not proof of evolution, as evolutionists so try to claim and assert and pretend.

No selection god has selected a new species of human, that are not of our KIND.... artic winters and amazon rain forest envirorment has not evolved new people, new humans.

The god of selection is dead and is an untruth, also called a ***


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 237 of 323 (810511)
05-30-2017 11:26 AM
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Re:
Davidjay writes:

Agreeed, evolutionists dont know where us humans came from....
Because none of them can answer the question...

That question is answered in other threads. The topic of this thread is selection, which you continue to avoid.


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Message 238 of 323 (810638)
05-31-2017 11:44 AM
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Re:
Davidjay did briefly get on topic:

Davidjay in Message 236 writes:

No selection god has selected a new species of human, that are not of our KIND.... arctic winters and amazon rain forest environment has not evolved new people, new humans.


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Message 239 of 323 (810662)
05-31-2017 2:03 PM
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Re:
Taq writes:

That question is answered in other threads. The topic of this thread is selection, which you continue to avoid.

I think his post contains a tacit admission that selection is involved in the fur color of those li'l mice.

Davidjay writes:

Remember size and color are not proof of evolution, as evolutionists so try to claim and assert and pretend.

Yeah, but it is selection that is the topic here. So is this really on topic?


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Message 240 of 323 (810681)
05-31-2017 5:41 PM
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04-20-2017 9:34 AM


Creationists readily accept that selection happens. Selection by itself produces nothing new but it can produce a change in the frequency in existing traits in the population over time.

Darwin thought that each new variety would have the same amount of variability as the original so evolution could continue without restraint. Now we know from genetics that new varieties are produced by eliminating undesired/detrimental alleles so variability decreases as a result of selection. We can't blame Darwin for this error since he knew nothing of genetics.

The modern evolutionary view is that mutation can provide a constant source of new variations so that evolution can continue beyond the bounds of the original gene pool. Thus the Darwinian god of selection has been replaced by the god of mutation+selection.

However this view has been questioned for some time now.

quote:
Schützenberger, Marcel P.(Mathematician)
‘Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution’, pp.73-75, Wistar Institute Symposium No. 5, 1967 (ed. Moorhead & Kaplan):

‘We believe that there is a considerable gap in the neo-Darwinian (the present) theory of evolution, and we believe the gap to be of such a nature that it cannot be bridged within the current conception of biology.’


Even natural selection has been downplayed in recent years by theories of genetic drift, and epigenetics shows how adaptation does not even require any genetic change.

The evolutionary god of selection is long dead.


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