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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No I'm not. If mutation adds statistically significant amounts of functional information then it is macroevolution. Microevolution does not add statistically significant amounts of functional information. First, you need to define "statistically significant amounts of functional information" ... and I suggest that you do that on the Can mutation and selection increase information? thread. Second, that is NOT how macroevolution is defined by evolution scientists (I said you would get it wrong), and your definition is not even usable until you've defined "statistically significant amounts of functional information." Scientists don't use unmeasurable parameters. Third, there is Pelycodus:
quote: I think you will agree that there is "statistically significant" change over time, and that there are fully functional critters from bottom to top -- they keep reproducing new critters. And I think you will agree that there is a "statistically significant" alteration at the top where the population divides into two separate breeding populations. By the Evolution Science definition of "macroevolution" (ie a correct one) this shows "macroevolution" occurring, both Anagenesis and Cladogenesis are seen, plus we see the formation of a clade. "Information" ... what do I need that for? What does it add to the observed facts showing "macroevolution" occurring by "microevolution" over time spanning many generations? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : ' Edited by RAZD, : stby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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sigh ... Here we go again - another Darwinist mistaking theory for reality. lol, no.
Your kind are so hopelessly brainwashed that you can't even tell the difference between a theory and a practical use for a theory. Well that's just prejudiced, jerk.
This is Scientismistic delusion. You dumbass, I'm not even an atheist.
Bizarre stuff. Get it right, first, then maybe it'll make some sense. Pre-judging me as an atheist engaging scientism and avoiding/dodging my point to make an insult is a wasted opportunity on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
sigh ... Here we go again - another Darwinist mistaking theory for reality. ... Actually reality is what scientists use to test theories. The reality of genome sequence comparisons validates the theory of evolution, as does every fossil found that continues to fit the spacial-temporal matrix of all the other fossils, leaving a story line in the rocks.
Your kind are so hopelessly brainwashed that you can't even tell the difference between a theory and a practical use for a theory. Actually evolution is useful in dealing with diseases like flu that evolve every year, being able to predict likely changes to adapt the vaccines sooner for the next flu season. Or diseases like ebola and cholera and so many others. If you don't think this is a practical use, feel free to use last years vaccines.
Bizarre stuff. The universe is stranger than you can imagine. Enjoy ps - I always though Chico was one of the Marx Brothers ... Edited by RAZD, : stby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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CRR Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Interesting. Have you got pictures showing what they looked like?
P. ralstoni N. nunienes N. venticoli
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Interesting. Have you got pictures showing what they looked like? Sadly no. There is a complete fossil skeleton of one on the website
quote: So the basic distinction from bottom to top is size ... as far as can be seen from the fossils. In modern monkeys we see close relatives have virtually identical skeletons while having distinctively different fur patterns (see tamarins), and I expect this occurred with Pelycodus as well. Notice that Notharctus nunienus at the top left is about the same size distribution as Pelycodus ralstoni so it is probably re-occupying the ecological niche of Pelycodus ralstoni in the trees, able to forage smaller branches than the larger Notharctus venticolus while Notharctus venticolus may be taking more advantage of their size to dominate on the ground. That could have lead to the sexual isolation that occurred between the two populations. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Pelycodus is such a joke, a perfect example of how the theory dictates the interpretation when there's a better one easily at hand.
Those are fossils of the animal for sure, but their depth of course says absolutely nothing about their age. As usual they all died in the Flood and were buried wherever they were buried. Some were young, some old, just as you'd find in a catastrophic mass burial, accounting for the differences in body size, and if there are some features that suggest microevolution that would make them cousins, not a later macroevolved generation. The ToE is not proved by such facts, it's just an interpretive paradigm laid on the data and the Flood is so much better at explaining it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Those are fossils of the animal for sure, but their depth of course says absolutely nothing about their age. As usual they all died in the Flood and were buried wherever they were buried. Some were young, some old, just as you'd find in a catastrophic mass burial, accounting for differences in size, ... Each layer has size variations, different layers have different distributions of size.Magically sorted to fake evolution. You forgot that part. ... and if there are some features that suggest microevolution that would make them cousins, not a later macroevolved generation. There is no such thing as a "later macroevolved generation" as each generation evolves from the last by microevolution. Macroevolution is the accumulation of microevolved traits over many generations, and you have been told this before. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And you have been told before many times that the Flood is a much better explanation for this sort of example. SO much better, so much more sensible.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And you have been told before many times that the Flood is a much better explanation for this sort of example. SO much better, so much more sensible. Snort Only when you ignore reality, Faith, as usual. Look at that diagram again, and tell me how the Magic Flying Flood sorted those fossils so that each layer had an assortment of sizes overlapping the sizes below them, but shifted towards larger sizes.
Why are ALL of the Pelycodus jarrovii fossils larger than ALL of the Pelycodus ralstoni and why are ALL of the Pelycodus trigonodus fossils intermediate, none larger than Pelycodus jarrovii and none smaller than Pelycodus ralstoni How on earth would a flood do that except by magic, and magic done in order to deceive people. 'Splain it Lucy Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Snort Are you pawing the ground too? Here comes another red cape: Water sorts stuff, RAZD. It does. I'm sure it wouldn't matter how it sorted them you'd still find evolution in the picture. (Comes to mind of course what dwise said on the Hidden Figures thread about us being pattern-seeking creatures. That's really all the ToE is, the seeing of patterns in the data where there really aren't any -- not the ones you're seeing anyway.) Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Boof Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 99 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes: And you have been told before many times that the Flood is a much better explanation for this sort of example. SO much better, so much more sensible. And yet on The Great Creationist Fossil Failure thread, when we came up with numerous examples of fossil distribution that geologists can easily explain but flood creationists cannot, your response was:
Faith writes:
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I don't know why there seems to be this apparent sortingI have the usual guesses.. So guesswork, supposition and goddidit versus actual observations that match the geochronological data. Is that how you define much better and sensible? See you there if you want to support your views...
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Pelycodus doesn't show any evo pattern. I don't think any of the fossils do, I think it's all evo invention but I don't usually try to argue it. Pelycodus I do because it's such a Flood case.
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Boof Member (Idle past 273 days) Posts: 99 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes: Pelycodus doesn't show any evo pattern. I don't think any of the fossils do, I think it's all evo invention but I don't usually try to argue it. Yes - I noticed you ran away on that other thread, mainly because the only answer creationists have is 'magic sorting'.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I suspect the order is an illusion but I can't prove it so why try? I've proved the Flood hundreds of times on other issues anyway.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I've proved the Flood hundreds of times on other issues anyway. Your "proofs" have all been disproved. You just can't accept the evidence provided by the real world. Perhaps you should stick to the Faith and Belief threads, as you are committed to ignoring scientific evidence when it disproves your religious beliefs?????Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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