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Author | Topic: Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
First we need to agree on the definition of "many". Well, you were the one who wrote it. Do you have a count? Any? Just to refresh our memories what you are talking about.
Tanypteryx in msg 244 writes: Dredge in msg 230 writes:
I think that is a lie. Can you document this? Taq writes:
That's what they say about, Archaeopteryx, but there are many scientists who disagree. the very definition of a transitional fossil Can you document any?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
I've heard that there are no transitionals between invertebrates and vertebrates. Is this true? Well, I've heard there is no transitionals between ANY two "kinds" of animals. If this is true, then why do you need to ask specifically about invertebrates and vertebrates? HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I agree - but there's no need to believe in any of that useless stuff about humans and apes having a common ancestor, Says the guy who believes:
quote: And I agree there is no need to believe any of that. Evolution leads some of us to conclusions and creationism leads others to believe useless delusions.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But life on earth is only 5778 years old... That is a YEC belief, one which is not supported by evidence. See RAZD's threads on dating for the details.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
It would be pointless because I'm not qualified to understand that level of biology. Chicko's explanation (via psychomosis) failed for the same reason. I would have to spend four years at university getting a degree in biology to understand what you're on about, I suspect.
Why don't you write them and get that expalnation?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I've heard that there are no transitionals between invertebrates and vertebrates. Is this true? Do you realize that vertebrates are only one phylum and that invertebrates make up the other 33 or so phyla? Were you under the impression that Phylum Chordata evolved from some super-phylum Invertebrata or something?....oh, dumb question, you think knowledge is useless.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Dredge writes: I've heard that there are no transitionals between invertebrates and vertebrates. Is this true? While I really have to question if Dredge has actually heard that or is just making stuff up again. But the issue is really silly anyway. The concept of a vertebrate and even the modern members of that classification include all the cartilaginous fish and as anyone who has ever collected shark teeth knows, cartilage does not fossilize often. Early members of the vertebrate lineage would be unlikely to leave fossilized skeletal evidence. Evidence of early notochords does exist however despite what creationists might wish. But this is all just another attempt by the Creationist Conmen to palm the pea, fool the rubes, misdirect attention for the pickpockets. It has nothing to do with the fact that Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution, with the fact of evolution or the fact that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the variety of life seen in the past and in the present. Creationism is simply another conjob.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I can believe that life on earth is only 5778 years old and still become a competent biologist who could potentially tackle any task in applied biology. This would prove a) creationists are not anti-science, and b) the "information" that humans and apes had a common ancestor is as useless as a fairy tale.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Dredge writes: I can believe that life on earth is only 5778 years old and still become a competent biologist who could potentially tackle any task in applied biology. This would prove a) creationists are not anti-science, and b) the "information" that humans and apes had a common ancestor is as useless as a fairy tale. Like I said: quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
Your lack of imagination and/or close-mindedness is not a valid argument.
the theory of evolution is the only explanation for the variety of life seen in the past or in the present.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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I can believe that life on earth is only 5778 years old and still become a competent biologist who could potentially tackle any task in applied biology. Dredge writes: It would be pointless because I'm not qualified to understand that level of biology. Chicko's explanation (via psychomosis) failed for the same reason. I would have to spend four years at university getting a degree in biology to understand what you're on about, I suspect. hhhmm?? What is it YOU are on about?
This would prove a) creationists are not anti-science The way creationists could prove they are not anti-science is to follow the evidence where ever it leads. They can't though. They MUST start with a conclusion and shoehorn the evidence to fit. Which is clearly anti-science. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The way creationists could prove they are not anti-science is to follow the evidence where ever it leads. They can't though. They MUST start with a conclusion and shoehorn the evidence to fit. Which is clearly anti-science I'm sick to death of this lying crap. It's bad enough coming from an atheist but from someone who says he's a Christian it's more than offensive. The EVIDENCE for a genuine Christian is WHAT GOD SAYS. You don't start anywhere else if you care about the truth. That IS the evidence you follow, that's where you start. There is nothing anti-science about starting from a known truth. Which YOU SHOULD SHARE.; But who cares if you or anyone else shares it, a Christian should know it is the truth and that is where all truth starts, including scientific investigations. I'm sick of the constant same old same old here. The same old stupid misrepresentations of creationism in particular. The same old stupid accusations of creationists and conservatives. The same old meanness of the Left they project on the Right. Blech., And nobody here has the wit to do anything in response to this either except vomit out the same old lying crap. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It's bad enough coming from an atheist but from someone who says he's a Christian it's more than offensive.] What is offensive is hearing someone who professes to be a Christian say stuff like "The EVIDENCE for a genuine Christian is WHAT GOD SAYS." What God said is not written in the Bible but rather in the rocks and stars and genetics and when those things disagree with what the Bible stories say then a genuine Christian knows it is the rocks and stars and genetics that superseded anything written in the Bible.
Faith writes: There is nothing anti-science about starting from a known truth. But there is an explicit dishonesty in declaring the Bible to be a TRUTH.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: I'm sick to death of this lying crap.I'm sick of the constant same old same old here. The same old stupid misrepresentations of creationism in particular. The same old stupid accusations of creationists and conservatives. The same old meanness of the Left they project on the Right. And nobody here has the wit to do anything in response to this either Well, I can think of an obvious cure for your sicknessWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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The EVIDENCE for a genuine Christian is WHAT GOD SAYS. This is what is crap! I do believe what God says! What I don't believe is what Faith says, or Ken Ham, or Kent Hovind, or ANY if these creationists who have to make up stuff to support their personal views. So Blech! yourself. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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