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Diomedes
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Message 406 of 1311 (810275)
05-26-2017 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by ringo
05-26-2017 11:42 AM


Correction: creationism CAN'T produce its own science because there's nothing scientific about it. Creationism can't make sense of biology because it ignores reality. it's based entirely on myth.
If creationism could produce its own science, it might be taken seriously by science; it might be possible to teach it in schools. But as it is, all creationism can say is that science is wrong, which isn't much of a basis for education.
That is ultimately why 'Intelligent Design' manifested in the vernacular of the religious right. They knew that utilizing the word 'creationism' immediately relegated their views to myth. So they attempting to give it a more 'scientific' sounding title in the hopes that it would give them more gravitas to push their ideology into the classroom. But unfortunately for them, as was evidenced in the Dover trial, it backfired. When they peeled back the onion of ID, it was just creationism in a new wrapper.

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Message 407 of 1311 (810279)
05-27-2017 12:15 AM
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05-26-2017 12:30 AM


Taq writes:
You didn't demonstrate any flaws in the theory of evolution in that post.
Is that what I was trying to do? I was trying to demonstrate that the theory that all life shares a common ancestor is irrelevant in the fight against HIV/AIDS and in the development of the swine vaccine.
Taq, now is an excellent chance to help deliver Dredge from the darkness of his pathetic ignorance. Please explain how the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has proven useful in the treatment of HIV/AIDS and in developing swine flu vaccine. This should be a piece'a'cake for someone of your intelligence and learning.
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Message 408 of 1311 (810280)
05-27-2017 12:22 AM


Suggested thread title change
Slight thread title change:
Nothing in biology (or any other science) makes sense in the light of creationism

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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Message 409 of 1311 (810325)
05-27-2017 11:25 PM
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05-26-2017 1:34 AM


Tangle writes:
Grow up
"... whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it" - Jesus (Mark 10:15).

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Message 410 of 1311 (810326)
05-27-2017 11:36 PM
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05-26-2017 6:32 AM


RAZD writes:
the problem is getting from the ark to ... where they are now
This is where the the "Peleg" theory (Genesis 10:25, 1Chronicles 1:19) comes into its own: From the six days of creation until about 750 years after the Flood, all land was gathered in one huge continent. Thus all the creatures from the ark were able to migrate to wherever they migrated to in 750 years. Then God divided this monolithic land mass into its present fragmented arrangement.
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Message 411 of 1311 (810328)
05-27-2017 11:40 PM
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05-27-2017 11:36 PM


Move the Ark sub-thread?
Maybe we should move this discussion on Noah's Ark to "The True History of the Flood". I think it would be more at home there than here.

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Message 412 of 1311 (810330)
05-27-2017 11:44 PM
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05-27-2017 11:25 PM


Dredge writes:
"... whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it" - Jesus (Mark 10:15).
Yet again, bumper stickers are not argument.

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Message 413 of 1311 (810335)
05-28-2017 1:57 AM
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05-27-2017 11:40 PM


Re: Move the Ark sub-thread?
Point taken.

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Message 414 of 1311 (810337)
05-28-2017 6:22 AM
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05-27-2017 11:36 PM


RAZD writes:
the problem is getting from the ark to ... where they are now
... Then God divided this monolithic land mass into its present fragmented arrangement.
So magic then. Okay.
Carefully herded so that only marsupials ended up in Australia and none strayed to end up in Africa, Europe, Asia.
So still not explained, and now you have added wicked fast continental movement with no basis in the bible, so THAT is not explained except by imagination, and no thought to the consequences of this fantasy -- boiled seas and massive tidal waves for which there is NO objective empirical evidence. Stick to the magic explanation, don't try mock reality.
Biology makes so much more rational an explanation.
Enjoy
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Message 415 of 1311 (810341)
05-28-2017 7:47 AM
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05-28-2017 6:22 AM


RAZD writes:
So magic then. Okay.
Carefully herded so that only marsupials ended up in Australia and none strayed to end up in Africa, Europe, Asia.
And none died and were fossilized in those areas either.
YEC is simply absurdity carried to the extreme.

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Message 416 of 1311 (810372)
05-28-2017 5:51 PM
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05-28-2017 7:47 AM


And none died and were fossilized in those areas either.
Fossilization is quite rare, as evolutionists often tell us when explaining the lack of transitional forms. While the flood would have provided good conditions for fossilisation the post flood world would have been far less favourable. In addition animal numbers were initially quite low further reducing the chance of fossilisation. Some marsupials did end up in America and there are marsupial fossils in Europe.

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Message 417 of 1311 (810383)
05-29-2017 1:31 AM
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05-28-2017 5:51 PM


And if memory serves, there is a small, mouse-size marsupial that exists in Africa.

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Message 418 of 1311 (810384)
05-29-2017 2:43 AM
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05-29-2017 1:31 AM


Dredge writes:
All extant marsupials are endemic to Australasia and the Americas.
All extant marsupials are endemic to Australasia and the Americas.
Marsupial - Wikipedia
Present-day distribution of marsupials.
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Message 419 of 1311 (810390)
05-29-2017 6:28 AM
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05-29-2017 1:31 AM


mouse-size marsupial that exists in Africa.
Not that I know of, although they did previously exist in both Africa and Europe. I'd be interested if you can find details.

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Message 420 of 1311 (810391)
05-29-2017 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 408 by Coyote
05-27-2017 12:22 AM


Re: Suggested thread title change
Nothing in biology (or any other science) makes sense in the light of creationism
Actually many historians believe that it was the belief in Creation by a rational monotheistic Creator that provided the foundation for modern science.
Peter Harrison, then a professor of history and philosophy at Bond University in Queensland, Australia (and one-time Andreas Idreos Professor of Science and Religion at the University of Oxford):
"Had it not been for the rise of the literal interpretation of the Bible and the subsequent appropriation of biblical narratives by early modern scientists, modern science may not have arisen at all. In sum, the Bible and its literal interpretation have played a vital role in the development of Western science.
Stephen Snobelen, Assistant Professor of History of Science and Technology, University of King’s College, Halifax, Canada, writes in a similar vein, and also explains the somewhat misleading term literal interpretation:
Here is a final paradox. Recent work on early modern science has demonstrated a direct (and positive) relationship between the resurgence of the Hebraic, literal exegesis of the Bible in the Protestant Reformation, and the rise of the empirical method in modern science. I’m not referring to wooden literalism, but the sophisticated literal-historical hermeneutics that Martin Luther and others (including Newton) championed.
Biblical roots of modern science - creation.com

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