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Author Topic:   Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
Davidjay 
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Message 166 of 169 (810579)
05-30-2017 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by NoNukes
05-30-2017 12:45 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Whoops, Nonukes, you dont know much bible nor the principles of the bible..

Jacob could obviously take on more than one wife, and the second one (Rachel) was the one he served seven years for and not for Leah...the first daughter of Laban. Dont you know this....

(Cant mention the seven year period as it isn;t allowed HERE because we can not discuss Daniel and its exactness)

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Daniel9.html

Matter of fact, the tribes of Israel (Jacob) came from the sons of these two wives and their two handmaidens or slaves...

IE... the twelve all equal, from different mothers (4) were legitimate descendants of Jacob who became Israel, or who received the new name ISRAEL.

Ill get that article of mine for you.....

Puity we cant discuss Bible sexuality.... HEREIN as I am not allowed to suggest any new topics. But if you do it, I will explain much much further.....

Go to New Proposed Topics, and state your question or questions....

If we built it, they will come.

Love baseball.... and some its precepts apply.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 167 of 169 (810594)
05-31-2017 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Davidjay
05-30-2017 11:14 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Jacob could obviously take on more than one wife, and the second one (Rachel) was the one he served seven years for and not for Leah...the first daughter of Laban

Did I dispute that issue Davidjay? No I did not. Go back and read my post.

Matter of fact, the tribes of Israel (Jacob) came from the sons of these two wives and their two handmaidens or slaves...

I'll note that the rest of your post does not respond to anything I asked you about. Not going to bother with you any further.


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Davidjay 
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Message 168 of 169 (810619)
05-31-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by NoNukes
05-30-2017 12:45 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Perhaps you will point out where the Lord told Jacob that it was okay to trick Laban and to take on that second wife. That would be interesting to see given that some folks have claimed that the Lord does not promote bigamy.

I will answer further and further, because of your insistence on deeper and deeper answers.

Jacob fulfilled the week of service (7 years) for Rachel, his second wife, and finally got the wife he originally wanted, yet had to stay married to and take care of Leah. Jacob worked hard for a change and was starting his repentance....... but had to serve another 7 years for the sheep he was to take with him and his woves and handmaidens and children.

Jacob was learning faithfulness and honesty and hard work...... but he had never apologised to his brother Esau.

But the birthright blessing of their father to previously tricky Jacob, was and is as always due to his hearts decisions and choices rather than a mere given birthright and gift.

Blessings come from our personal decisions and is not passed on through blood lineages. It may dictate the cards we get dealt but does NOT determine our decisions. One was taken the other left principle, it all depends on choices, choices choices... and Jacob turned into Israel in heart and so the Lord renamed him...Israel.

If you have other questions just ask... rather than ******** *****.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 169 of 169 (810620)
05-31-2017 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Davidjay
05-31-2017 9:25 AM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Nonukes, dont say 'some people say' but say what you say and feel and want answered directly. Be straightforward rather than tricky.

If you are talking about bigamy, thats a great and lengthy and worthy discussion... not a one liner..... but simply put a man (or woman) can have more than one wife (or husband).

Read about Jesus, and the parables of his concerning multiple wifes, etc etc etc etc.....

Read about the patriarchs as most of them had more than one wife.... etc etc etc etc..

If you want further discussions start a new TOPIC on that subject as they hate it when I suggest a new TOPIC, as they know I will attempt to answer all responses biblically and scientifically (IMHO)


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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