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Author Topic:   Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
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Message 150 of 169 (810317)
05-27-2017 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Davidjay
05-20-2017 12:13 PM


Jacob was a 'trickster'
As a bible lesson, you really need to study the life of Jacob, the trickster.

He was lazy and therefore became a trickster, trying to trick his way into blessings...and being the chosen one. He tricked his father into blessing him rather than blessing his brother Esau.

Jacob was a trickster, a liar, a deceiver...he didn;t come by the blessings honourably but by tricking his father and tricking his brother.

So the Lord had to put him under an even greater trickster and deceiver, Laban.

Laban tricked Jacob out of Rachel and switched her sister into his marriage bed, because he was too drunk to know it. Laban tried to trick Jacob from receiving his due number of sheep for his service

(A week, a shubauh, seven years but we cant discuss this length of time because math can;t be mentioned HEREIN because evolutionists have no math nor understand math, nor want to read about time prophecy and exact math fulfillments)

Anyway, Jacob had to wrestle with an angel when his brother Esau was going to come and kill him and take his wives and sheep..... Jacob repented and fought the angel for the blessing rightfully and honourably and did not give up or give IN, and got blessed and then he was called ISRAEL.

Jacob is literally Israel and is a person and is not a worldly nation. Individuals have to choose the Lord and fight courageously for the blessing...there is no other way..

Amen ? Amen !


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Davidjay 
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Message 152 of 169 (810423)
05-29-2017 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by ringo
05-28-2017 2:37 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
The Lord choose Jacob because he changed and repented and learned trickery was not a means to an end. The end does not justify the means.... you must be honourable and just and fair along the way.

Its the principle of the Lord, and He demands it.

Jacob learned and had his name changed to Israel.

Israel is the name of a person who changed. This giving hope to evolutionists who by their personal choice can change and get a new name...called creationists of the Creator


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 156 of 169 (810462)
05-29-2017 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by NoNukes
05-29-2017 1:54 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
No real evidence that Jacob learned any such lesson. He actually played tricks on Laban

Nonukes, you do know some bible..good on ya, and good on your name picking,as NoNukes is a GOOD NAME, and names do have meaning and significance.... which is what we are talking about.

Jacob was intelligent and as an observer was scientific and learned from experience or asking the Lord about sheep and vision and striped 'kids'. please correct me and my memory if wrong......... he knew genetics from observing


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 157 of 169 (810463)
05-29-2017 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by NoNukes
05-29-2017 1:54 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Yes, Jacob was still a bit of a trickster when faced with a greater more vile trickster in Laban..... but when faced with death , his own his wives and children and sheep at the hands of Esau who he tricked, Jacob repented and wrestled with the angel and caught him by the ****** Thats right the **********, and wouldnt let go....... he was serious and he had changed and wanted to be different, and change his ways.

Then and only then the Lord changed his name from Jacob the deceiver to Israel the righteous.

Jacob changed, repented, choose the Lord, choose honesty and truth rather than trickery..

Awesome true story... Thanks for the reminder...

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 158 of 169 (810464)
05-29-2017 7:51 PM
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05-29-2017 7:50 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
....

Edited by Davidjay, : mispost


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 161 of 169 (810532)
05-30-2017 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by NoNukes
05-29-2017 8:52 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
When your life is on the line, and you and your loved ones are about to be slaughtered, because of your horrible tricking ways, does make one more contrite and more humble, and does make you search your heart to see if your sins were that bad, and make you ask for FORGIVENESS.

Just ask atheists and ************* before their passing....

Ive seen it many times, many get real, others get worse and worse and worse..... until they are no more, and go down still swinging and complaining about the Lords unfairness even as they go to their MAKER.

You decide why Jacob was renamed Israel...


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 162 of 169 (810534)
05-30-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by NoNukes
05-29-2017 9:40 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Do you really believe that you can get colored sheep or cattle by having your animals mate in front of striped rods? FWIW, many of the folks in this thread have discussed this particular story in detail in a previous thread. I am well aware of what the Bible says about "genetics".

Yea, Jacob knew his genetics, and knew from observation, and knew from asking the Lord, as to how he could out trick the trickier Laban.........

mind you ***** ******* un************ evolutionists will say his visual techique proofs evolution in the sheep becoming a new KIND. But again, its just superifical and a color change...and as we know color change is not an evolutionary proof....

Via la difference and Jacob got his true reward in sheep (of a different color)


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 163 of 169 (810535)
05-30-2017 12:14 PM
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05-30-2017 12:11 PM


Re:Sex can be discussed HERE
I didnt know sex was ever discussed HEREIN before, I thought it was banned or not promoted.... or maybe thats only for me.....

But Yea, I might look into that biblical sex thread..... and post therein and thereon, and herein and hereon on further hereon til finnished.

IGTGOHWFLHB

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 166 of 169 (810579)
05-30-2017 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by NoNukes
05-30-2017 12:45 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Whoops, Nonukes, you dont know much bible nor the principles of the bible..

Jacob could obviously take on more than one wife, and the second one (Rachel) was the one he served seven years for and not for Leah...the first daughter of Laban. Dont you know this....

(Cant mention the seven year period as it isn;t allowed HERE because we can not discuss Daniel and its exactness)

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Daniel9.html

Matter of fact, the tribes of Israel (Jacob) came from the sons of these two wives and their two handmaidens or slaves...

IE... the twelve all equal, from different mothers (4) were legitimate descendants of Jacob who became Israel, or who received the new name ISRAEL.

Ill get that article of mine for you.....

Puity we cant discuss Bible sexuality.... HEREIN as I am not allowed to suggest any new topics. But if you do it, I will explain much much further.....

Go to New Proposed Topics, and state your question or questions....

If we built it, they will come.

Love baseball.... and some its precepts apply.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 168 of 169 (810619)
05-31-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by NoNukes
05-30-2017 12:45 PM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Perhaps you will point out where the Lord told Jacob that it was okay to trick Laban and to take on that second wife. That would be interesting to see given that some folks have claimed that the Lord does not promote bigamy.

I will answer further and further, because of your insistence on deeper and deeper answers.

Jacob fulfilled the week of service (7 years) for Rachel, his second wife, and finally got the wife he originally wanted, yet had to stay married to and take care of Leah. Jacob worked hard for a change and was starting his repentance....... but had to serve another 7 years for the sheep he was to take with him and his woves and handmaidens and children.

Jacob was learning faithfulness and honesty and hard work...... but he had never apologised to his brother Esau.

But the birthright blessing of their father to previously tricky Jacob, was and is as always due to his hearts decisions and choices rather than a mere given birthright and gift.

Blessings come from our personal decisions and is not passed on through blood lineages. It may dictate the cards we get dealt but does NOT determine our decisions. One was taken the other left principle, it all depends on choices, choices choices... and Jacob turned into Israel in heart and so the Lord renamed him...Israel.

If you have other questions just ask... rather than ******** *****.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 169 of 169 (810620)
05-31-2017 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Davidjay
05-31-2017 9:25 AM


Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
Nonukes, dont say 'some people say' but say what you say and feel and want answered directly. Be straightforward rather than tricky.

If you are talking about bigamy, thats a great and lengthy and worthy discussion... not a one liner..... but simply put a man (or woman) can have more than one wife (or husband).

Read about Jesus, and the parables of his concerning multiple wifes, etc etc etc etc.....

Read about the patriarchs as most of them had more than one wife.... etc etc etc etc..

If you want further discussions start a new TOPIC on that subject as they hate it when I suggest a new TOPIC, as they know I will attempt to answer all responses biblically and scientifically (IMHO)


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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