Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
8 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 7/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 790 of 1006 (806820)
04-28-2017 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by dwise1
04-27-2017 11:01 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Then explain altruistic behaviour in evolution theory.
Quite demanding answers from others and refuse to answer anything from your god of evolution. !!!

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 782 by dwise1, posted 04-27-2017 11:01 AM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 791 by dwise1, posted 04-28-2017 10:13 AM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 792 by Diomedes, posted 04-28-2017 3:27 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 799 of 1006 (806913)
04-29-2017 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 797 by Chiroptera
04-28-2017 9:31 PM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Chir, if you believe in equality as you use Pauls quote .."I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. -- Paul Krugman
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then how can you believe in evolution which favours inequality and branching, and superior races and superior people rather than EQUALITY.
Equality is consistent with Jesus and his life and words.... but opposes competition and the survivasl of the fittest.
You must learn to be consistent with your principles if you are to advance with an open mind and an OPEN HEART.
Please reread your comments about evolution as a supposed equal heritage with ages and chimps etc.... evolution is not about equality but inequality.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 797 by Chiroptera, posted 04-28-2017 9:31 PM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 800 by Dr Adequate, posted 04-29-2017 11:37 AM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 803 by Chiroptera, posted 04-29-2017 1:43 PM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 831 by Dredge, posted 05-01-2017 1:26 AM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 804 of 1006 (806953)
04-29-2017 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by jar
04-29-2017 12:16 PM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
No false and a feeble attempt to blame God and blame Christians
Gods chosen people are those that choose God, choose Jesus or choose love.
The Lord determines their situation and judges righteously in mercy for those that have chosen mercifully.
It doesnt appear you have mercy for others, so might reconsider the anger in which you speak and try to accuse the Lord's people and the Lord Himself.
But again, its your choice.... and your RESPONSIBILITY

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 802 by jar, posted 04-29-2017 12:16 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 805 by Davidjay, posted 04-29-2017 10:15 PM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 806 by jar, posted 04-29-2017 10:30 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 805 of 1006 (806954)
04-29-2017 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 804 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 10:10 PM


Re:Atheists and evolutionists have no morals.
The topic HERE concerns atheists and evolutionists not Christians.
Athesists usually have no moral code, but one they dream up themself, and it inevitably fails them in their older years, as it (usually) doesnt revolve around love, so they get bitter and meaner in their waning time.
Evolutionists are empty as their theory and religion, because luck and chance is hardly a means for betterment or anything to have faith in. They also wane in their mental ca

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 804 by Davidjay, posted 04-29-2017 10:10 PM Davidjay has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 807 by Chiroptera, posted 04-29-2017 11:53 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 821 of 1006 (807001)
04-30-2017 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 820 by jar
04-30-2017 8:58 AM


Atheists/Evolutionists can not explain morality
Atheism is a brother of evolution, they BOTH deny a Creator.
They go hand in hand, and besides this is an evolutionist board, so the topic and discussion HERE should be about why evolutionists and atheists can not explain morality.
Evolutionists say they do not have social values or social implications to their theory of evolution
(SEE Evolution is a racist doctrine)
That is one of their givens, and excuses for their theory not being responsible for the competition and hatred and racism it causes.
They say that evolutionists are oblivious and beyond a social consciousness, they say evolution doesn't teach superiority or inferior branches. They deny responsibility and or morality.
Their theory states survivl of the fittest, but thats where their brains disconnect, not wanting to admit the destructive effects of the so called fittest, most aggressive races or breeds or mutated humans killing and making extinct other branches of humanity.
Atheists and evolutionists are ONE, and usually always return to selfishness rather than love as their love almost always runs out, and they get bitter and meaner as time progresses towards their death. IE They disintegrate in time... Ha like the Second Law of thermodynamics. WE all do, nothing gets better in time without an input from the Creator. This they deny, and most all of them die, in frustration, and resentment.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 820 by jar, posted 04-30-2017 8:58 AM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 822 by Coyote, posted 04-30-2017 10:39 AM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 823 by jar, posted 04-30-2017 11:09 AM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 824 by Chiroptera, posted 04-30-2017 11:16 AM Davidjay has replied
 Message 845 by Taq, posted 05-01-2017 12:25 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 825 of 1006 (807096)
04-30-2017 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 824 by Chiroptera
04-30-2017 11:16 AM


Re: Atheists/Evolutionists can not explain morality
Agreed, it is a great expose of why evolution is a racist theory. Evolution deals with the theory that all life branched out from original life forms to new life forms. Its a branching out, that three of you state made us primates branch out from BATS. Astounshingly three of you have stated this, and expect people to accept it because you stated it....
Bats are our ancestors, read it for yourselfs READERS..
Great concise down to Earth expose on evolutionary theory and how it promotes racism and the extinction of so called lesser, less aggressive species and races.
See you there.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 824 by Chiroptera, posted 04-30-2017 11:16 AM Chiroptera has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 828 by Coyote, posted 04-30-2017 10:59 PM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 829 by Dr Adequate, posted 05-01-2017 12:23 AM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 826 of 1006 (807098)
04-30-2017 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by Chiroptera
04-30-2017 8:43 AM


Chir, I see you are again blaming the ever loving Lord for your lack of morality and your not knowing right from wrong. You want HIM to force morality on you like the damnable preachers try to do, rather than leaving morality up to the individuals themselves to choose.
You choose Chiur, its your life, quite blaming the Lord or others, come up with a morality and take the responsibility for it. Get mature and get a lifestyle that isnt mere luck and chance theory.
We have to Choose
From the very beginning in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, our ultimate parents were expected to choose right from wrong,
they had to make decisions one way or the other. Mind you they made a dandy bad one to start, that opened their eyes not to
goodness which they already knew but to the evil they didn't know.
Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (and woman) is become as
one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put
forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat,
and live for ever:
So afterwards, we all by our heritage became sinners by birth, and we must also put forth the effort and now take also of the tree
of life. We have to choose the Lord and choose to be clothed by the Lamb, and we have to choose the Messiah that died for our
sins, or else we die in our sins. It couldn't get any simplier. No one else can do it for us, even the Lord can't do the choosing for us.
1John 5:11 And thiis is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath
life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Therefore, we all have to ask to receive, there is no other way, life won't come to you unless you do the asking. You can't have
salvation unless you ask the Messiah for it. For even He said
Mathew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh
findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Life is full of choices and we have to do the choosing and the asking, and the most important one on our journey through life is
whether we want the Lord and want to follow Him. For as Joshua said to the children of israel before they entered into the
promised land.
Joshus 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
And we don't have all day or all life to decide as the prophet Elijah said on Mount Carmel. 1Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto
all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? If the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, (the world, the
devil) then follow him.
We have to choose whether we want the Lord or not 2 Corintinians 6:2 For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and
in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation
And the time is now, and only you can make that decision for you. You are divine because the Lord has divinely given you the
divine right to choose and decide if you want HIM.
You have to choose. Do you want Him or Not ?
JESUS loves you
Sincerely
David and Joy
Hope you have chosen Him, If you want more details about choosing Him
SEE Salvation
Mystery of Life
Holy Spirit
Davidjayjordan@yahoo.com
From WehavetoChoose
Im always one step ahead of you, Chir, always
You just havent got any ammo in your gun, or arrows in your quiver.
In other words, luck and chance theology has not prepared you for real life.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 819 by Chiroptera, posted 04-30-2017 8:43 AM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 827 by Chiroptera, posted 04-30-2017 10:28 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 914 of 1006 (807769)
05-05-2017 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 913 by Chiroptera
05-05-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
How was the response to Hitler different between evolutionists and creationists?
Today, what is the difference between evolutionists and creationists when they look back on Hitler?
ANSWER Hitler used evolutionary theory as a basis for his rascism and inbreeding camps where he got German teens to copulate to bring on a 'superior race'. Furthermore, Hitler used evolutionary theory to give the basis for the extermination of minorities whether it was poor Jews, or gypsies or gays, etc etc.....
Creationism is centered around the equality of races, and as such rejects absolutely racism in all its forms. Jesus is and was against racism.
Churchianity and religion on the other hand is in bed with the political power of the day, no matter how evil it is.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 913 by Chiroptera, posted 05-05-2017 9:43 AM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 916 by Chiroptera, posted 05-05-2017 1:44 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 927 of 1006 (807873)
05-06-2017 10:11 AM


Evolution can not explain any observed facts let alone altruistic acts between individuals in a species, nor symbiotic relationships.
Altuism is acts of love. Evolution is a con, evolution is a myth. Evolution has nothing to do with behaviours or instincts that are given each species or KIND at creation. Evolutionists can not take the credit for adaptations, instincts, behaviours....... I repeat learned behaviours and behaviours themselves are not evolved and genetic explosions dont make better behaviours in our genes, nor do behaviours or morality change with each new generation of animals or humans.
Babies are babies and come out the same way as with the original babies, from the original couple. NO difference.... so called branching is racism, evolution is racism..... and creates nationalism and wars.
Creation and equality wins, evolution loses.
Morality is how we treat others, love is the answer.
God is love, deal with it. Understand it, accept it.
Love wins.
.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

Replies to this message:
 Message 929 by Chiroptera, posted 05-06-2017 11:58 AM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 933 of 1006 (807950)
05-07-2017 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 932 by Chiroptera
05-07-2017 8:46 AM


Re: How did Christians prevent WWII? They didn't!
Batpeople, the Lord directs time and nations and wars as they are prophesied and come because of the perfidity and evil of those that want more and more power. They are started by the power mongers, and the evil ONE to get the whole world under their control... as the Lord ordained and annointed and allows.
But the heathen blame the Lord rather than themselves and their leaders.
See and study sites like ..
WW2 - The True Cause of World War 2, WWII
And then
SEE and study
7KingdomsofMan
The 7th is getting together after the signing of the Coveant that stops the war, not WorldWar in the Mid East...... and then we proceed onward on the exact timeline til the Lord steps IN, and takes back His Earth for those who individually choose Him or have chosen HIM.
All planned in advance (as that is PROPHECY) and the heathen hate it when it means there is DESIGN to history and the present and the FUTURE. They want to think they are in control when they are not...and yet they blame and accuse the Lord of Lords.
Listen to them.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 932 by Chiroptera, posted 05-07-2017 8:46 AM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 934 by Chiroptera, posted 05-07-2017 12:49 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 979 of 1006 (808332)
05-10-2017 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 978 by Chiroptera
05-10-2017 8:43 AM


Re: Chir, useage of the word random
Chir.... you must be more consistent with you wording, as evolutionists are mainly semantic linquists
Dredge, you series of one or two sentence comments seem pretty RANDOM and don't seem to have much of a coherent idea behind them. Are you still trying to argue for something? 'Cause you're giving the impression of someone shooting a gun blindly behind his back as he's trying to get away.
Maybe you need to take a break for a couple of days, think about what you're trying to say, and write a more substantive post expressing your point clearly.
?
Now dont take offense, but as an evolutionist that honours and adores and admits that mutations are random and everything about evolution is random and undirected..... you have now switched your allegiances and try to use the word randoness as if it is bad and undirected and misguided...which it is.
But you cant have it both ways, random is unguided, and undirected, so change from worshipping randonmness in evolutionary theory to consistently making it one of your principles that you can get directed and quided to true principles.
Use the word random properly and consistently.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 978 by Chiroptera, posted 05-10-2017 8:43 AM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 980 by vimesey, posted 05-10-2017 9:25 AM Davidjay has not replied
 Message 981 by Chiroptera, posted 05-10-2017 10:38 AM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 992 of 1006 (808668)
05-12-2017 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 991 by bluegenes
05-12-2017 5:57 AM


Re: Hitler's soul... was racist
Hitler was a racist and tried to literally and manually inbred 'superiority' into the human race, and xterminate all other humans.
This easily supported by the theory of evolution which states that branching brings on superior or more viable species from the original species or KIND.
SEE Evolution is a Racist Doctrine.
Do note, that this thread title should have been
Aethists/Evolutionists can NOT rationally explain Morals... for remember this is an evolution board and not an atheist board, even though atheistic comments abound.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 991 by bluegenes, posted 05-12-2017 5:57 AM bluegenes has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 994 of 1006 (808690)
05-12-2017 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 993 by Chiroptera
05-12-2017 8:54 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Hi Chiroptera, meaning bat.....
Religions like evolution do destroy moral fiber, with their luck and chance philosphy... especially when they declare that they have no responsibility for what they write and discover and implement and force into childrens minds.
Yes, agreed the religion's of man are basically about self and selfishness and the appearnace of holiness, and about them appearing to be more righteous than others. Its about racism, and hoping and praying their superiority gets appreciated from those below them. Religion is a curse, which is why the religionists killed Jesus... why because Jesus was against religionists and their vile morality.

.
The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 993 by Chiroptera, posted 05-12-2017 8:54 AM Chiroptera has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 998 by Chiroptera, posted 05-12-2017 1:01 PM Davidjay has not replied

  
Davidjay 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days)
Posts: 1026
From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 1001 of 1006 (811131)
06-05-2017 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1000 by Dredge
05-14-2017 5:23 AM


Re: Religionists killed Jesus
Agreed Chiroptera...... as we must distinguish between the religionists that killed Jesus because He revealed their evil motivations, and the religion or love lifestyle that Jesus started anew with His 1st Coming.....
For the law and holiness religionists were confounded by the Lord at every step and so they had to put a plant cal;led Judas among His disciples to try and catch a time and place to capture HIM, and then buy false witnesses to try and accuse HIm... And it worked.... Jesus knew scriptures and the meaning of scriptures, so the Sanhedrin couldnt convict HIM so sent HIM to the political leader, Pilate. Pilate got him killed because of the religionists insistence and false witnesses. What was the accussation, He said, Destroy this temple in three days I shall raise it up. The politically aligned and submiisive religionists lied and misrepresented what Jesus said about His Body's Temple, and they said He was a terrorist going to destroy their stone temple on the Temple Mount.
People get very upset when they find out the truth about our Body's Temple and mathematics and they dont want to hear the prophecy or math or the great DESIGN of our TEMPLE. As before so today, no difference.
The religious always want to destroy the opposition, and how much more the opposition that knows the truth (from Jesus)
IMHO
David

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1000 by Dredge, posted 05-14-2017 5:23 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024