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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
The "Whatever" situation sure seems to be a muddled mess. I've decided to try to give things a break, by giving Whatever a suspension. Offhand, I think this will be for just 24 hours, but the plan may change.
Whatever - The admin mode of the moose species is prone to crankiness. I SUGGEST you don't try any end arounds, such as registering under a new name, or posting as a visitor. Such actions could very well get you banned. Take a break, and maybe put some thought into your posting form. Also, you may wish to monitor this topic, for further comments from the various people. Comments from other members are welcome and encouraged, Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Something I just noted, from the "Suspensions and Bannings" topic.
quote: I note that neither I, nor any other admin/moderator (as far as I know) had given Whatever any requests or warnings. None the less, I stand by my decision, that the suspension was needed. Further comments on this situation still welcome and encouraged, Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
quote: I'm serious about the above quoted. How do we treat Whatever? Does he need to be restricted to the "Free For All" forum? Does he need to be restricted to just one topic? I think we do have to change how he was going about things. Input desired,Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Stuff from the "Meert / Brown" topic (not necessarily complete quotes):
Admin (message 49):
quote: Admin (message 50):
quote: Roxrkool (message 51):
quote: NosyNed (message 52):
quote: Eta Carinae (message 53):
quote: There is/was "Whatever" behavior commentary happening all over the place. Please consolidate it into this topic. You people can think and evaluate this situation yourselves (despite the sometimes indications that you need a moderator to think for you). I will try to get back further, later, but I wanted to get this up now. BTW, the suspension happened at about midnight, 1/26/2004 end of day. My inclination is NOT to lift it, until we have some sort of plan in place. Whatever is certainly welcome to e-mail Admin, and discuss the situation with him. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
For whatever it's worth, the following are some of the other topics that I have started, concerning some of my moderator actions:
Wise has been suspendedSyamsu suspended Booboocruise files, The People may also be interested in tapping into the index page of the "Announcements" forum, and the index page of the "Suggestions" forum. Note that you may need to select a higher "select number of topics", an go to a second (or more) pages, to see all the possibilities. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Jon said much, of the tricks of trying to moderate this thing. Right now, I'll add a few random comments.
I think that Whatever, in part, may be reminiscent of some of the "unique viewpoint" posters, that we've had in the past. The problem is, when that "unique viewpoint" ends up getting shoved into many topics. Whatever was the center of the problem, but s/he wasn't the whole of the problem. The Whatever problem wouldn't have been as bad, if other members hadn't been so generous in supplying to the feedback loop. Not to be calling Whatever a troll, but had s/he been one, would much of the debate have been deemed "feeding the troll"? As I believe it may have been noted in previous messages above, it seems that topic drift, topic cross-pollination, and general topic chaos, along with general crankiness, has been running high lately. It is tough for the moderators to try to track the many topics and messages that are happening, and to try to maintain a sense of context of those messages. And some topics end up not being of interest to any of the moderators. I guess we hope that someone else is watching, and if note, topics can run bad for quite a while before the enforcer catches on. I'm going to extend the suspension for at least another 24 hours, for further input, and to get a feel for how we'll handle the return of Whatever. My instinct tells me, that lifting the suspension right now will only result in picking up the situation where it was left off. Enough for now - Also please see my current avatar, Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I would still like to see more feedback from the various people. I think we need a fairly unified plan in place, before Whatever returns to active poster status.
On a related note pertaining to topic quality control, I point out this message, found elsewhere. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
quote: By "blocking of relevant threads", I asume you me by means of a bunch of admin guidance messages. I think these would have just gotten lost in the pile and/or flat out ignored. A more extreme blocking, would be to have temporarily closed a bunch of topics. That sure seems to be very overkill. I think the only practical way to cool Whatever's jets, was the suspension.
quote: I think part of the problem is that the situation(s) were set up, that Whatever received many (redundant?) poundings from many sources. Even if s/he were receptive to enlightenment, these pounding very well might be more inclined to cause numbness. If and when Whatever returns, I think the opposing side needs to show much restraint, to avoid the "great pilling on". One aspect of the Whatever nature that I note, from the Argon discussions, is that s/he works that grey area between total giberish and coherence. There is enough partial continuity in the statements, that they can't be written off as total babble. I expect that I'll lift the suspension at about midnight tonight. Further feedback still welcome and encouraged, Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Lifting Whatever's suspension.
I encourage Whatever to read the previous postings of this topic, if not already done. I encourage Whatever to show restraint in his postings. Likewise (probably even more), I encourage restraint by those directing postings towards Whatever. Let's not pile on. Everyone, be nice to each other. Be nice to Whatever - I might just be giving him a little extra protection. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Also see Whatever suspended at the "Which religion's creation story should be taught".
Adminnemooseus Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests or Considerations of topic promotions from the Proposed New Topics forum |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
quote: Agree, BUT - I don't think the "Debate Bootcamp" forum is yet properly set up. As we have been discussing in the "Private Admin Forum", I think the "Free For All" forum should be preserved under that name, albeit closed to any new topics. I thought we (myself, you, and AdminNosy) were in agreement on that, but you just renamed the FFA to "Debate Bootcamp" anyway. As is, the "Debate Bootcamp" still contains all the old FFA topics. Plenty of places for Whatever to run amuck. I feel strongly that the "Debate Bootcamp" needs to be an entirely new forum. Adminnemooseus And in a Whatever like PS: Whatever's debate style can also found in the various discussions of the current Presidental campaign. As he and the non-admin mode (minnemooseus) hold polar opposite political positions, I felt I was on shakey ground in squashing his participation. But it did seem to be blatantly obvious that Whatever was unable or unwilling to carry on rational discussion. Someone needed to act - So I did.
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