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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What's the reason or purpose for believing in God?
There is no reason nor purpose for believing in them. Phat writes:
So what's the difference between the loch Ness monster, leprechauns, the Tooth Fairy and God?
lack of evidence plays a small role. Phat writes:
Sure. Start a topic. Answer me this: Would you spend as much time answering questions about Leprechauns as you do about God and Jesus? But bear in mind that I know a lot more about the fictional Christian God than I know about leprechauns. We don't have many leprechaun missionaries trying to convince us to believe.
Phat writes:
The Internet has a tendency to suck opinions out of people. Don't kid yourself that a lot of chatter about your belief validates your belief.
What is it about the latter characters that make everyone suddenly want their opinion to be known?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Paht writes:
Nope. You may believe that one fictional character exists and others do not but that doesn't make your belief different from an atheist who believes in the Loch Ness monster.
ringo writes:
God exists. God existed before humans even had the capacity or ability to make Him up. what's the difference between the loch Ness monster, leprechauns, the Tooth Fairy and God? Phat writes:
Sure you will. Ever hear of Mormons? Cultists of all kinds? Snake-oil salesmen? What they're selling is pure fiction.
You won't find many missionaries from fictional characters. Phat writes:
Clearly not. Ever hear of mountain climbers? Thrill-seekers of all kinds?
People think long and hard about giving their life.... Phat writes:
No it doesn't. If it's subjective, it isn't evidence.
Subjective evidence counts also. Phat writes:
You're trying to claim that if a lot of people believe it, it must be true (valid). That's nonsense.
ringo writes:
My point is that validity can be derived in ways apart from objective evidence. Don't kid yourself that a lot of chatter about your belief validates your belief.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We didn't find God in there either.
You have yet to prove that God is a fictional character. We have done sonar readings in the Loch. Phat writes:
The same applies to the Loch Ness monster. Perhaps, but absence of evidence does not conclude evidence of absense. Mind you, we do have eyewitness accounts of the Loch Ness monster - not of God. There's not enough evidence to conclude that the Loch Ness monster is a real biological. There is no evidence that God is a real spook.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Davidjay writes:
You're setting the bar too low.
Jesus wins again
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
You didn't address my post at all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
At the risk of creating a false dichotomy: Either God created evil or He didn't create everything. Whether He does something "directly" or not is irrelevant. He pulled the trigger so you can't blame the bullet.
I would prefer that God created the possibility of evil---actualized by a fallen angel...rather than incorporating the attributes of evil directly into a part of God. Phat writes:
It doesn't seem possible to create a God who is omnipotent and better than us at the same time.
Having evil as an intrinsic part of Gods nature makes Him no better than us.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
There is evil that has nothing to do with free will: parasitic worms, for example.
How can good and free will both exist without evil, or not good existing?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So He's not omniscient.
I would say he didnt create everything in that He did not foreknow our decisions. Phat writes:
You're missing the point of the analogy. If He created the evil, He's responsible for the consequences.
He may have created the gun but it is we who decide whether to pull the trigger...or in your case even acknowledge that He made the gun yet is necessary.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're shooting yourself in the foot. And if He never created evil, satan never would have had the opportunity for his own franchise. There was never any need to create "Satan".
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Of course they are. Evil results don't require evil intentions.
Worms are not evil.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Don't lose the context. We're talking about God here. Did God not know that parasitic worms would eat children's eyes?
Evil requires intention, although the intention may not be to do evil. NoNukes writes:
No more so than a bunny eating a carrot is evil. But on the other hand, if somebody created a system which requires gazelles and carrots to suffer, that might be construed as evil.
In your view, is a cheetah killing a gazelle evil?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The ONLY time to debate something is when it isn't black-and-white.
"Might be construed..." Not going to debate statements like that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Davidjay writes:
The fact is that the heathen are as good or better at alleviating the suffering of this world.
... the heathen or complainers seldom if ever try to do anything with their lives to alleviate the problems of this world or the diseases of this world or the suffering of this world. Davidjay writes:
So maybe you should stop mocking the people that God is blessing.
If they do, then they would be obeying the Lord in helping others, and would be blessed for it
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Davidjay writes:
The denier here is you, denying the reality of science.
Gods people are workers not theorists, and deniers.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Without evidence, they can not be "proven" at all.
Some things cannot be proven or disproven through evidence alone.
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