Contradictions: Hint that Genesis 1 and 2 are Allegorical

CRR writes: So you're suggesting that Moses knowingly put two contradictory accounts side by side? Or was he too stupid to notice? No, Moses would have understood these as two complementary versions, and they have been read that way for thousands of years. People thousands of years ago were just as intelligent as we are. Actually there was an article I saw several years ago suggesting people are becoming less intelligent.

What people are saying is that Moses, if Moses actually existed, had absolutely nothing to do with writting anything in Genesis.

And yes, a very valid issue I've often discussed is why so often two completely contradictory tales got included in the books that were accepted to become canonized as was done with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 and even more with the two flood myths found in Genesis 6&7.

jar writes: flood myths

Notice the plethora of very precise chronology in the following passage:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.  And rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights ... and the waters prevailed upon the earth for a hundred and fifty days ... At the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters had abated , and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark come to rest on the mountains of Ararat.  And the waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen ... In the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month ... Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold the face of the ground was dry.  In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry."  Genesis 7:11- 8:5.

Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.

Yes it reads exactly like myth.

But wait, there's more.

The Bible has two mutually exclusive flood myths all mushed up together.

The Bible has two creation myths and they two contradict each other in the order of creation, the method of creation and in the descriptions of the god character.

In fact all of Genesis and Exodus read just like myths and folk tales.

It reads like real history.

So does this chronology of part of the history of Tolkien's Middle Earth: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Arda

He was a superb story teller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work.

You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section.

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Dredge writes: Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.

Hint: myths talk about what the gods are thinking; history doesn't.

TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another.

SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves.....

There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact

I am not allowed to give my hyperlinks but anyone can find out the history for themselves if they search and are honest.

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TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another. SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves..... There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact

The flood at your "exact" date has been disproved. I posted the evidence a dozen times, but so far you have refused to acknowledge those posts or respond in any meaningful way.

You have no evidence, you lose.

See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it.

And as you already know, I am not allowed to oppose your fantasities in science there, and so just hang out in the COFFEE SHOP and am teaching biblical and prophecy truths NOW.

The SCIENCE field is totally without opposition, as thats the only way evolutionists are used to operating and enforcing their luck and chance doctrine and theory.

Gensis 1 and 2 are not allegorical but literal... and the 24 hour day is justified rather than eons between the plant life creation and the sun creation by the Lord of all Creations... sometimes called the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.... also called JESUS.

Ha, I can supposedly write his NAME here becauyse this is the BIBLE sub-board, so I think I can get away with it. We shall see, oh how the evolutionsts/atheists complain...... even about the Bible.

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See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it.

Your date may be "exact" but there was no flood at that "exact" time.

You read old tribal myths, I read the real-world evidence from the soils--and both my own research and that of archaeologists and geologists around the world say there was no such flood. Deal with it.

You must be a protected species ?

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And furthermore, those differing creation orders are critical to the storylines of the two creation stories.
G1 is step-by-step, with God creating one thing at a time, and with humanity as God's last and best creation. God seems very happy with what he had done -- happy enough to take a day off, the first Sabbath Day there ever was.

In G1, anything created after humanity would be rather anticlimactic -- and both sexes are created at the same time.

However, in G2, God has to fix his creation as he goes. First he creates Adam, but Adam gets lonely. Then he creates lots of animals, but Adam is still not satisfied. Then he creates Eve, but though Adam becomes less lonely, a certain mischievous snake leads that couple astray. God must be rather exasperated at the end of that story.

In G2, it would not make sense for God to create Adam's most satisfactory companion, Eve, before the others.

There are other differences:

G1: God is elohim
G2: God is yhwh elohim, often translated as "the LORD God"

In G1, God is relatively distant, creating by commanding that this, that, and the other thing come into existence.

In G2, God is more down-to-earth, walking in the Garden of Eden, creating Adam from some dirt, and creating Eve from one of Adam's ribs.

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There is no contradiction whatsoever in these two chapters of Genesis. Not one has been demonstrated.

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There is no contradiction whatsoever in these two chapters of Genesis. Not one has been demonstrated.

But that is what lpetrich did in his post from the way, way, way back machine. He pointed out lots of contradictions in the two differing stories. He handed the myths in your perfect bible the telltale stain of human composition in its opening chapters.

Your bible is a faulty human construct.

vimesey writes: He(Tolkien) was a superb storyteller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work. You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section.

The Bible is not in the fantasy section, however. If anything, the Bible accurately describes human nature (and psychology) as well as any modern theory.

But I won't try and define where the Bible *should* fit in any bookstore. You and I will take from it what we want.

AZPaul3 writes: Your bible is a faulty human construct.

Humans themselves are faulty constructs. Otherwise, global warming and failure to address it never would have happened.(The failure to address it part, anyway) I suppose that some wag somewhere will attempt to blame God for global warming. It is easy to point the finger away from ourselves.

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If anything, the Bible accurately describes human nature (and psychology) as well as any modern theory.

Your bible wouldn't know women's nature and psychology if it got kick in its ham-fisted misogynistic patriarchal balls. Same for slave relationships. And there are a lot more disconnects. Your bible's psychological constructs and morals are stoneage archaic, brutal, inhumane and are rejected in modern theory.

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