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Author Topic:   Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?
edge
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Message 406 of 519 (811977)
06-13-2017 9:01 PM
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06-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Crabs
So you say, and that's all you guys have, your own unprovable opinion. It is known that water sorts things and makes layers of sediments And as long as the Time Scale is the utterly irrational interpretation of the strata that it is, and as long as there is other evidence of the Flood, which I've given, it's reasonable to assume it sorted things exactly as we see them in the strata.
And that, everyone, is evidence a' la Faith!

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Message 407 of 519 (811979)
06-13-2017 9:06 PM
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06-13-2017 9:01 PM


Re: Crabs
The evidence I have given via cross sections and maps (see Message 355 for instance, and Message 359) shows that the strata were laid down continuously and then tectonically deformed after they were all in place, and there is no sign whatever of anything between the layers to suggest any time periods ever existed. Plus the fact that nothing could live where a thick layer of sediments is all there was for a landscape.
It's been proved. You'll deny it and deny it but it's been proved.

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Coragyps
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Message 408 of 519 (811981)
06-13-2017 9:11 PM
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06-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Crabs
So not only can this sorting mechanism sort crabs from trilobites, but different trilobites from each other. Every time, without fail. Yeah, Faith, I think you need to do a little study, or use a bunch of imagination, on how that can happen. Intelligent Sorting, sure. But what's the most intelligent seawater you have ever seen?

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Coragyps
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Message 409 of 519 (811984)
06-13-2017 9:17 PM
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06-13-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Crabs
You live in Nevada, correct? Your landscape is a thick layer of sediments, with maybe a volcanic bit or two. There are a couple of desert shrubs on top. You live there. A few coyotes do too. You are disproving your own claims!
Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.

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Message 410 of 519 (811986)
06-13-2017 9:27 PM
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06-13-2017 9:17 PM


Re: Crabs
Oh good grief. I'm talking OF COURSE about a layer of sediment in a stack of sediments, where there is no evidence whatever that anything ever lived. The strata stretch across huge distances, FLAT, now ROCK. If anything ever did live there the next sediment would have buried them alive, they would have had nowhere to go. They are rocks, nothing ever lived there.
Always always always you guys make up irrelevant stuff to answer a point. I know you believe in the Time Scale, and giving it up isn't going to happen even if it has been proved false, but still the efforts to save it are absurd.

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JonF
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Message 411 of 519 (811987)
06-13-2017 9:29 PM
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06-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Crabs
Not opinion, Faith. Fact. We understand liquid water and its behavior and what happens to things in it very well, from normal conditions to the most extreme conditions under which liquid water can exist. It cannot do what you require of it.

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edge
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Message 412 of 519 (811990)
06-13-2017 9:34 PM
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06-13-2017 9:27 PM


Re: Crabs
Oh good grief. I'm talking OF COURSE about a layer of sediment in a stack of sediments, where there is no evidence whatever that anything ever lived. The strata stretch across huge distances, FLAT, now ROCK. If anything ever did live there the next sediment would have buried them alive, they would have had nowhere to go. They are rocks, nothing ever lived there.
Which is kind of a weird statement since we have found animal tracks and other trace fossils on those surfaces...
How do you explain that?

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Message 413 of 519 (811992)
06-13-2017 9:35 PM
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06-13-2017 9:34 PM


Re: Crabs
You're right, things DID live there at one time, way underneath the first layer anyway, and the sediment depositions killed them. We see their tracks scurrying across the latest deposition in a futile attempt to escape.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 414 of 519 (811994)
06-13-2017 9:43 PM
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06-13-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Crabs
You're right, things DID live there at one time, way underneath the first layer anyway, and the sediment depositions killed them. We see their tracks scurrying across the latest deposition in a futile attempt to escape.
Oh, right.
Now I remember the tracks of trees and coral reefs racing across the flat expanses of sediment, attempting to escape a flood.
Oh, wait ... the flood was already there, wasn't it? Hmmm...

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PaulK
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Message 415 of 519 (812000)
06-14-2017 12:11 AM
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06-13-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Crabs
quote:
The evidence I have given via cross sections and maps (see Message 355 for instance, and Message 359) shows that the strata were laid down continuously and then tectonically deformed after they were all in place...
In other words you are putting your interpretation of the diagrams forward as "proof".
But even your favoured Grand Staircase diagram shows that you are wrong.
I have pointed out problems with your interpretation of the cross-section shown in Message 355 e.g.
It is rather doubtful that the cross section shows tilted strata just from the scale of it. The Grand Canyon is only a mile deep. Imagine how much wider the strata would have to be to cover the distance form the West of Wales to the East of England. And the map certainly rules it out, with - to point out just one obvious example - the "Crag and Eocene" rocks extending from Essex on the East coast, West into Dorset - south of the Severn Valley.
(Note that the "Vale of Severn" is marked on the diagram.)
And you haven't even made a coherent case that the map in Message 359 supports the idea at all.
Never mind the fact that the diagram is really early and very low resolution and bound to miss all sorts of details. William Smith's achievements were great but hardly great enough to put your personal interpretation of it ahead of all the work done since his time.
quote:
...and there is no sign whatever of anything between the layers to suggest any time periods ever existed.
Except for tracks, rooted trees, mature sea-life communities, river beds....
quote:
Plus the fact that nothing could live where a thick layer of sediments is all there was for a landscape.
Perhaps you should visit a river delta sometime instead of assuming that they are all barren wastelands.
quote:
It's been proved. You'll deny it and deny it but it's been proved.
Obviously it has not been proved. Perhaps you should offer actual proof rather than pretending that evidence doesn't exist or jumping to conclusions without any consideration of the possible problems. Even the latter is nowhere near proof. And it is the best you have.
Edited by PaulK, : Minor clarification

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RAZD
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Message 416 of 519 (812020)
06-14-2017 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Faith
06-13-2017 9:06 PM


Focus AGAIN: Trilobites and Marine Deposits
It seems we are getting away from the Trilobites and Marine Deposits and the discussion of mountains has devolved into something other than the composition of layers and layers and layers of marine deposits in the rocks making up the non-volcanic mountains all over the world.
At this point I'm tired of Grand Canyon and map cross section arguments about geology when the topic is about trilobites and marine environments on mountain tops.
... and there is no sign whatever of anything between the layers to suggest any time periods ever existed. ...
Irrelevant, there is so much evidence of the passage of time, large chucks of time, including the question you can't answer about how trilobites and radiometric isotopes are sorted according to age, large chunks of it, that if you don't address this issue alone then your posting on this thread is irrelevant and unwanted.
It's been proved. You'll deny it and deny it but it's been proved.
Only a fool thinks they have proven something that was false from the start.
The trilobites and radiometric isotopes show it is false.
You have three choices:
(1) show how they can be sorted by apparent age,
(2) deny the evidence exists (your favorite dodge), in which case leave this thread and post elsewhere, or
(3) accept the evidence for what it shows.
Trilobites and Marine Deposits as observed all over the world are what we would expect from evolution and the known age of the world. Marine strata on the tops of mountains are what we would expect from plate tectonics over the course of the long age of the earth.
Muddy jumbles of all life forms living at the time are what we would expect from a flood, and these are ONLY observed in isolated areas at different times, frequently in a repeating pattern, and none of it matching the fantastic flying flood fantasy.
Trilobites and Marine Deposits Faith, Trilobites and Marine Deposits.
Enjoy
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Message 417 of 519 (812021)
06-14-2017 11:12 AM
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06-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Crabs
Faith writes:
It is known that water sorts things and makes layers of sediments
It is known that the isotope content of igneous rocks is not enough to cause water to sort them by tiny tiny differences, and yet that is what we see. Therefore, those layers were not created by a single event that sorted those layers by tiny differences in Argon content.

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Message 418 of 519 (812100)
06-14-2017 8:16 PM
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06-14-2017 11:12 AM


Re: Crabs
Faith writes:
It is known that water sorts things and makes layers of sediments
It is known that the isotope content of igneous rocks is not enough to cause water to sort them by tiny tiny differences, and yet that is what we see. Therefore, those layers were not created by a single event that sorted those layers by tiny differences in Argon content.
I have no clue what you are saying here.
It remains true that water sorts things and makes layers of sediments.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Coragyps
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Message 419 of 519 (812108)
06-14-2017 9:21 PM
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06-13-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Crabs
I don't think that sediment deposition at a millimeter per century ever killed anything. Even a millimeter per year isn't enough to kill West Texas jackrabbits.

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Faith 
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Message 420 of 519 (812109)
06-14-2017 9:50 PM
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06-14-2017 9:21 PM


Re: Crabs
Except that the sediments were deposited over a few months.

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