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vimesey
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Message 601 of 960 (812147)
06-15-2017 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Faith
06-15-2017 1:43 AM


Re: more of the same
How do you allow yourselves to malign this other half of the country as you do?
If you were to ask yourself how you allow yourself to malign Obama and the Democrats as you do, perhaps you'll find your answer.
Politics is partisan. Leaders are privileged people, and their privilege is paid for by all of us. That entitles us to give them a rough ride.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith 
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Message 602 of 960 (812149)
06-15-2017 4:38 AM
Reply to: Message 601 by vimesey
06-15-2017 4:27 AM


Re: more of the same
Sorry, that doesn't wash. The attack on Trump is absolutely unprecedented, it's a concerted effort by political and media POWERS to bring him down. This isn't just the partisan views of some, as was the case with Obama, who got a free pass and then some by the press. Nobody would have dangled his bloodied severed head on camera, there wouldn't be a cacophony of Tweets calling for his assassination, all the comedians were on his side, the headlines that every day knock themselves out to find something, anything to pin on Trump, did the reverse with Obama. Every day we read of some kind of bogus investigation drummed up out of thin air, EVERY DAY! Or somebody's opinion that he should be impeached. BASED ON NOTHING! Sorry, my objections to Obama are like a gnat's to a behemoth --an evil, conniving, scheming lying totalitarian behemoth that hasn't the slightest respect for American traditions of fairness. And besides, conservatives aren't barbarians, but obviously in this election cycle the Left is. Get real.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith 
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Message 603 of 960 (812151)
06-15-2017 5:30 AM


The Evils of Wealth
One headline recently was about how they are looking for some way to find Trump's financial position to be a cause to bring him down. We can't have a billionaire for a President, being a billionaire in itself is criminal in today's Marxist mindset so we have to find something to pin on him.
So that got me looking up the wealth of other Presidents, which I know in recent years hasn't been negligible. Found a Wikipedia article on that very subject.
Very interesting. Was there an effort to pin financial wrongdoing on JFK? Not that I recall, despite some of the questionable dealings of his father. Of course Trump's 3.5 billion does put Kennedy's 1 billion (by today's standards) in the shade, but wouldn't you think even 1 billion would raise some Leftist eyebrows? Not in the case of Kennedy.
And then our country's founder George Washington comes in third with $580 million. Was there a big brouhaha about his wealth in those days? Shouldn't there have been if wealth is such a big problem it's got the evil powers breathing down Trump's neck?
Jefferson comes in at a paltry $234 million. And on down the list. Lincoln was among the poor Presidents, and there are quite a few of those too.
Check it out, it's fun .

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vimesey
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Message 604 of 960 (812152)
06-15-2017 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 602 by Faith
06-15-2017 4:38 AM


Re: more of the same
Well, I'm at work at the moment, but this took all of 2 mins to find on the internet:
Obama Effigy with the Words 'Pray 4 Assassin' Spotted in Alabama
Pastor Terry Jones Burns Obama, Clinton Effigies In Response To Gay Rights Support | HuffPost Voices
http://www.wthr.com/...question-hanging-barack-obama-display
No doubt others with some time can find plenty more examples of things going the other way. Trump, despite him wanting you to feel he is a unique victim, ain't.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith 
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Message 605 of 960 (812154)
06-15-2017 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by vimesey
06-15-2017 5:50 AM


Re: more of the same
PLEASE just put the content of those links into a sentence or two. I did click and try to read but I really am not up to it.
However, I will comment that a few violent Trump supporters, which is what I suppose this is about, is not the same thing as all the calls for assassinating Trump that are everywhere these days, all the media attacks on him, all the skewed headlines, all the endless attempts to find something to pin on him, all the exaggerations and lies, all the hatred coming from all directions in an amazing variety of forms. From the rank and file Left who had some kind of emotional schizophrenic meltdown when they lost the election to the nasty Hollywood people to the Congress who are doing their best to impede everything Trump does while saying he's the one obstructing justice. The shooter of the Republican congressman was not just a loner, he was acting on the pervasive hate speech against Trump and his supporters.
Do you think I'm getting my impressions from Trump? Hardly. I'm hit in the face with them every time I go online.
What worries me and should others as well is that the extreme nature of the Left's activity could start a civil war. I really think it could. Even conservatives won't sit still forever.
ABE: Oh and I'm sure you'll find that Trump supporters do not support any kind of violence and would denounce it, whereas there is a deafening silence from the Left about their evilspeaking Madonna who wanted to blow up the white house, and all the others who speak violently against Trump, and their shooter today too-- who was just upset about politics, jeepers imagine that, it's okay to shoot people if you're upset about politics. I really don't think anything like that sick mental set exists on the conservative side.
Or if it does I'll be very surprised and I'll KNOW that civil war is brewing.
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NoNukes
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Message 606 of 960 (812157)
06-15-2017 6:28 AM


Who will be the first A-hole
After the shooting incident today during which a number of Republican congressmen were shot, I was pleasantly surprised at the bipartisan outpouring of unity against domestic terrorism. Paul Ryan made an impassioned speech saying, "When you attack one of us, you attack all of us". The Democrats huddled together to pray for both the police and their comrades across the aisle. Even this morning while watching a Christian TV program, the prayers and sentiment expressed were about prayers for the Congressman in a bipartisan expression of horror even while acknowledging the ill political feelings by some folks in this country.
While marveling at this new found unity, I understood that such "Kumbaya" could not last forever; somebody would have to be the first asshole to make it all about them and their party. Imagine my surprise to find that person right here at EvC.
Where are the voices decrying a comedian's holding up the severed head of OUR chosen President? Since there are none I would assume yhou think we should all have our heads severed.
Probably the stupidest attempt at reasoning I've seen in a while, and I have read all of Davidjay's posts.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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marc9000
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Message 607 of 960 (812160)
06-15-2017 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 606 by NoNukes
06-15-2017 6:28 AM


Re: Who will be the first A-hole
While marveling at this new found unity, I understood that such "Kumbaya" could not last forever; somebody would have to be the first asshole to make it all about them and their party. Imagine my surprise to find that person right here at EvC.
THE FIRST? You didn't hear Governor Terry McAuliffe yesterday blame this on a lack of gun control? You didn't notice the mainstream news media yesterday trying to downplay and hide the fact that this guy worked for Bernie Sanders? Like most liberals, you don't get around much when getting your news, do you?
Do you think that if a Trump supporter had targeted Democrat congressmen in a shooting spree that there would have been nothing but kumbaya from the mainstream news media?

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marc9000
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Message 608 of 960 (812161)
06-15-2017 7:17 AM


Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun' - WSJ
Obama of course, gets a free pass for that, it won't be mentioned at all. Would a Republican get the same free pass if the situation were reversed?

  
NoNukes
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Message 609 of 960 (812162)
06-15-2017 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by marc9000
06-15-2017 7:09 AM


Re: Who will be the first A-hole
You didn't hear Governor Terry McAuliffe yesterday blame this on a lack of gun control?
I did not see that, no. I did hear a comment from one Congressman that claimed that the event could have been prevented if DC just had open carry reciprocity and that things would have turned out better if the incident had happened in Georgia. I ignored that stuff as being said in the heat of passion.
Do you think that if a Trump supporter had targeted Democrat congressmen in a shooting spree that there would have been nothing but kumbaya from the mainstream news media?
I would hope that the politicians and officials would have been just as supportive of each other had a Democrat been shot even if before the incident they were printing pictures of Democrats with bulls eyes on them. In fact, I am sure that they would be supportive based on the reaction following the shooting of Ms. Gifford.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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JonF
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Message 610 of 960 (812169)
06-15-2017 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 602 by Faith
06-15-2017 4:38 AM


Re: more of the same
Nobody would have dangled his bloodied severed head on camera, there wouldn't be a cacophony of Tweets calling for his assassination, all the comedians were on his side, the headlines that every day knock themselves out to find something, anything to pin on Trump, did the reverse with Obama.
BS. Take off those rose-colored glasses.
Ted Nugent: Hang Obama and Clinton
Two Months Left Until Obama Gives Dictators Control of Internet
Barack Obama Is a Traitor
TIME TO CALL OBAMA AND KERRY WHAT THEY ARE: TRAITORS
Study Finds Obama Received "Unrelentingly Negative" Media Coverage
10 Ridiculous Things Said About Barack Obama
(there are hundreds more)
Personally I think we don't have enough evidence to impeach Trump, although that may happen. It wouldn't save our country, Pence or Ryan would be worse. They are competent at being evil.

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JonF
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Message 611 of 960 (812171)
06-15-2017 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 603 by Faith
06-15-2017 5:30 AM


Re: The Evils of Wealth
One headline recently was about how they are looking for some way to find Trump's financial position to be a cause to bring him down. We can't have a billionaire for a President, being a billionaire in itself is criminal in today's Marxist mindset so we have to find something to pin on him.
I bet no such headline existed. Prove it. The headlines are not about the amount of his wealth, it's the sources, which are certainly arguably unconstitutional.
Was there an effort to pin financial wrongdoing on JFK? Not that I recall, despite some of the questionable dealings of his father.
In US law, the sins of the father are not visited on the son. You should look up Trump's father's history if you think parentage is so important.
And then our country's founder George Washington comes in third with $580 million. Was there a big brouhaha about his wealth in those days? Shouldn't there have been if wealth is such a big problem it's got the evil powers breathing down Trump's neck?
There is no problem with a President being wealthy. The Constitution does say something about the sources of wealth.

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Chiroptera
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Message 612 of 960 (812182)
06-15-2017 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Faith
06-15-2017 1:43 AM


Re: more of the same
What has happened to civility, to our vaunted freedoms?
Well, Faith, here's the thing: we live in what is supposed to be a constitutional republic that is supposed to operate under rule of law.
That means that the President isn't a dictator just because he wins an election, and the majority of Congress can't just do whatever they want because they win elections. The executive branch and the regulatory agencies only have authority given to them (and have some obligations they need to address) by the laws passed by Congress. If someone believes the President's actions are against the law, then they have the right to bring suit to court to stop it; if the courts agree, then there it is.
Congress has the authority to pass laws, but they are under the constraint of what the Constitution allows. If the a person believes that a law pass by Congress is unconstitutional or that an action by the President violates the Constitution, they have the right to bring suit in a court of law. If the court agrees, well, there it is.
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Message 602
The attack on Trump is absolutely unprecedented, it's a concerted effort by political and media POWERS to bring him down.
What's unprecedented is the level of illegal actions taken by the Trump administration and how offensive the people find them.

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg

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ramoss
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Message 613 of 960 (812183)
06-15-2017 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 611 by JonF
06-15-2017 9:26 AM


Re: The Evils of Wealth
The constitution also has something to say about using the position in politics to gather personal wealth too. There is the Emoluments Clause.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 614 of 960 (812193)
06-15-2017 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 610 by JonF
06-15-2017 9:22 AM


Re: more of the same
BS. Take off those rose-colored glasses.
Ted Nugent: Hang Obama and Clinton
Two Months Left Until Obama Gives Dictators Control of Internet
Barack Obama Is a Traitor
TIME TO CALL OBAMA AND KERRY WHAT THEY ARE: TRAITORS
Study Finds Obama Received "Unrelentingly Negative" Media Coverage
10 Ridiculous Things Said About Barack Obama
According to the leftists, hate speech incites violence and the purveyors of said speech are responsible for the violence they incite.
According to their logic, all the people who have been reciting hate speech against Trump are partially responsible for yesterday's shooting.
I don't agree with their logic, but if they don't want to be hypocrites then they will admit they believe they have some responsibility in this.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 615 of 960 (812196)
06-15-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 614 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2017 11:28 AM


Re: more of the same
According to the leftists, hate speech incites violence and the purveyors of said speech are responsible for the violence they incite.
Yes, partially.
According to their logic, all the people who have been reciting hate speech against Trump are partially responsible for yesterday's shooting.
I think that some of the more extreme rhetoric from the Left has contributed, I condemn such rhetoric, and I feel ashamed that some of the Left has followed the Right's lead in this fashion.
Do you acknowledge that much of the anti-Trump speech is not hate speech?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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