Atheism: an irrational philosophical system

I think you're mistaken. Those are questions easily answered, but answers are not always explanations. Ultimately, your answer to all of those is only "God says so," which while first of all referencing an entity whose existence is not supported by any independant evidece, doesn't really explain anything in any case.

I hate it when people pick apart others statements, just to pick apart others statements. I gained nothing from my butchered post, other than that you don't agree with what I'm saying. I could have known that without you replying, or I could have known that if you simply stated, "I am an Atheist, and those things you're saying about Atheists isn't true." That would have done just fine. Instead, you have left me with many questions and nothing to go off of. Heck, I don't even know if you believe God exists or not. Yeah, uh huh...So what's your hope for the future other than science solving things and you dying? Yeah, plenty of nothing. Exactly my point. You can't, and it remains a possibility. Yes. I acknowledge the fact that human possibility, is very limited.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004][This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]

roboto85,
Thanks for the positive comments... I'm glad that you understand my points and agree with them. Take care and God bless,Richard M
"Grace2u"

Yes, that was my point. They are answered by science, but science doesn't explain why these things are.

Right, and now the purpose of the debate is make sure we understand each other's positions. I'm not certain that you truly understand what atheism is, or why it's a reasonable position. Because each new model explains more and more data, and makes increasingly accurate predictions. Essentially, the scientific method ensures that each new model representes a better approximation of reality. Sure, but to what end?This is the "epistimological problem of knowledge." How do we know what we know? How do you know that you're not a brain in a jar?The answer is, it doesn't matter if you're a brain in a jar if the simulation behaves exactly as reality would. And it doesn't matter if your magic demons are fooling science so long as they continue to fool science in exactly the same way. If the demons are content to allow our VCR's to keep working, then who cares if they're fooling science or not? It's not. But then, neither is anything else. Even in the demon-plagued simulation you think we could live in, science is still the best way to find anything out. You don't have to. That's why scientists publish their results, data, and methodology. If you don't believe their conclusions, you can analyze the data yourself.But what's the peer-review process for prophecy? How can I distinguish between a man who's talking to God and a man who's simply a good liar? Who, exactly? None of the Bible authors, as far as I know, were witnesses to the resurrection. And the Bible itself is hardly a reliable historical text. Do you really think a bad model would make accurate predictions all the time? Hrm, I'm looking back, looking... nope. I don't see where I was arrogant enough to tell you what you believe. Why couldn't you afford me the same courtesy? Oh, it shows. The mature thing to do would have been to ask "how does atheism work, exactly?" Why do I need God to have a purpose? My life has as much purpose as I decide it has. It always has. Yeah, it does. It does because it makes me happy to not fool myself. It makes me happy that I'll never be disappointed when I rely on a God that doesn't exist. I'm a lot happier now than I was when I was a hardcore Christian, that's for sure.I guess the question is, why are you so incomplete and insecure that it takes A Creator of the Universe to tell you what your purpose is? Isn't that overcompensating a little?

What's so bad about dying? Living forever, now that's a nightmare. (You might wish to ask, since you think you're going there, if there's free will in heaven. If there's no evil in heaven, and if you need evil to have free will, then I guess there's not, is there? An eternity as a robot is appealing to you?)

Then its a good thing that that isn't the reason I picked them apart. I picked them apart because they contained numerous errors and distortions that I felt needed to be addressed individually and directly. Then perhaps you should go back and read them again and actually think for a while about the responses you received. You know from my statement that I don't believe God not to exist, and now I will tell you that I don't believe God to exist either. I hope I meet a lovely lady that I can wed and with whom I can grow a large and happy family. I hope that I can find a vocalist for my band. I hope I can get a good tax return this year. I hope...I can continue ad infinitum, but need I? Explain to me, precisely, how "plenty of nothing" is not an oxymoron according to the usual definitions of "plenty" and "nothing." A possibility not worth considering for the very reason that it cannot be falsified. In what sense?

I think you missed the point. "God says so" or "God did it" do not explain why either.

Well, they might or they might not be. But their potential in doing such a thing would be to hide us from the simple truth of God. Yeah, that would be at (Acts 3:12-15) (Acts 4:10) (Acts 5:30-32) (Acts 10: 38-42) (1 Col 15:3-8)I realize because you are an Atheist, you create a purpose for yourself. If you want to do such a thing, fine be my guest. You're also going to give yourself hopes. Like as someone else stated, getting married, starting a band whatever. I have those hopes as well, but those hopes crumble in comparison to the real hope God gives. So you have to be very aware when I use the word "real," in terms of hopes and purposes. Because for you, you may feel that's the only real thing you have. But for me, it's not. No, not at all. If it wasn't for that, I couldn't say what my purpose was other than to die. But then, why did I live in the first place? Duh Duh DAH!

Wow. I'm just not going to do that. If you want, you can go back and read what i wrote again to see what my point was. That's what's important. Not if plenty and nothing fit together from your perspective.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]

But how are you going to know that's the truth? What if that's just demon lies, too?Science remains the best way to know things. Every other way gets fooled too easy. Acts was written most likely by Luke, who did not witness the resurrection. He was neither a disciple nor eyewitness of Jesus. Paul was the author of Corinthians and I don't think he was a disciple of Jesus either (unless you count his miraculous conversion on the road to Damascus, which probably didn't actually happen.)

How do you expect me to gather your point when you employ a phraseology that that is entirely nonsensical?

Can we just drop it? It's really besides the point. He tried to mock me, it was infantile, etc. We get it. If George Gershwin can say "I've got plenty o' nothin'" then so can this guy. (Or was it Ira Gershwin who wrote the words?)[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 01-27-2004]

Dropped.

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When it's all said and done, Atheism explains crap.

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But, then, atheism doesn't try to explain anything. Atheism is simply a belief that there is no god. Period. Nothing more to it than that.