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Author Topic:   Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?
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Message 452 of 518 (812442)
06-16-2017 1:20 PM
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06-16-2017 1:12 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
First, beach sand gets deposited on a slight upslope. Second the Flood water is what rose over the land carrying the sediments. Stir sediments into a vessel of water and let them settle out. They will settle out in layers.

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Message 458 of 518 (812476)
06-16-2017 6:56 PM
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06-16-2017 5:30 PM


Re: Sediment source
There have been more than 40 days and nights of rain since then, and nowhere near the amount of erosion that you are trying to claim.

Steady heavy rain for forty days and nights ALL OVER THE WORLD? No.


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Message 459 of 518 (812477)
06-16-2017 6:57 PM
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Re: where the sediments came from
Nothing I've said implies deposition upslope. That's a straw man.

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Message 460 of 518 (812478)
06-16-2017 7:00 PM
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06-16-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Sediment source
You cannot impose your uniformitarian assumptions on the pre-Flood world.

There was water "above the firmament" before the Flood.

There was no granite in the pre-Flood world because no volcanoes.

Among other things.


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Message 465 of 518 (812487)
06-16-2017 7:59 PM
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06-16-2017 7:52 PM


Re: Sediment source
Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Which I understand to mean that there was no place on earth where it didn't rain for forty days and nights.


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Message 466 of 518 (812488)
06-16-2017 8:03 PM
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06-16-2017 7:50 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
You saturate the water with sediments. The water rises high over the land. What's the problem?

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Message 469 of 518 (812491)
06-16-2017 8:30 PM
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06-16-2017 8:20 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
I'm doing my best with the facts as I understand them, both from the Bible and from the observed strata and fossils. Fountains of the deep whatever they were or are, would certainly have stirred up the water, mixing sediments that were both from the ocean and running off the land due to forty days and nights of rain plus the rising of the water caused by that. Once you've got water full of sediments rising over the land you've got the ingredients for the sorting into layers that we see. You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.

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Message 472 of 518 (812495)
06-16-2017 9:17 PM
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06-16-2017 9:09 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
I give up. You have no interest in real conversation. End of discussion.

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Message 476 of 518 (812504)
06-16-2017 11:02 PM
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06-16-2017 10:58 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
The "real world evidence" is completely misinterpreted by orthodox Science. In the end it will be found to be consistent with God's word.

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Message 484 of 518 (812742)
06-19-2017 11:09 PM
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06-19-2017 12:19 PM


Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
Floods don't move tectonic plates and floods don't create mountains -- they erode them.

Of course "floods" don't do either of those things, what a silly straw man. But THE Flood built sedimentary strata which was full of dead things which became fossils, and some mountains are strata that was tectonically pushed up into mountains. And I happen to think this all occurred at the end of Noah's Flood in a great tectonic cataclysm that had something to do with causing the Flood water to recede. It also caused the separation of the continents and other interesting phenomena. Not the Flood, but geological processes connected with it.

Horseshoe crabs, some of them anyway, do look quite a bit like trilobites. And I guess I'd think of them as I think of the other "living fossils" as evidence against the ToE because the changes they show are just variations within the Kind over hundreds of millions of years. Funny how the creatures that don't show such a lengthy fossil history, where there is no evidence of evolution that is, are assumed to have evolved from one thing into another, such as reptiles into mammals, whereas when there is actual evidence from one time period to another of the changes to a creature -- like trilobites, horseshoe crabs and coelecanths, the differences are obviously the expected changes within the Kind.


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Message 487 of 518 (812760)
06-20-2017 5:56 AM
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06-20-2017 5:47 AM


Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
I'm sure the coarsest ended up wherever it should end up in any given deposition.

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Message 489 of 518 (812762)
06-20-2017 6:11 AM
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06-20-2017 5:59 AM


Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
Haven't mentioned prokaryotes, but gave plenty of reasoning on the trilobites and coelecanths, and more recently added the horseshoe crabs. Don't even you with your odd way of laughing at Nothing recognize that these creatures are found in a great many "time periods" up the Geological Time Scale, adding up to hundreds of millions of years, without changing to any degree that would suggest something other than a trilobite, coelacanth or horseshoe crab, while some creatures that are found in only one or two "time periods" are assumed to have evolved into something dramatically different in a time period above them?

I mean even you ought to stop and ponder how, when we have actual evidence we see no evolution whatever, just the usual changes within the Species creationists expect to see, while when there is no evidence at all, great leaps are made to assume evolution between dramatically different creatures, such as from reptiles to mammals.

I know the ToE and the OE have an iron grip on your brain, but break the shackles, man, and see what's really going on here.

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Message 491 of 518 (812764)
06-20-2017 6:14 AM
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Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
As I said, I'm sure whatever forms a particular deposit follows the laws of settling just fine.

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Message 493 of 518 (812766)
06-20-2017 6:23 AM
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Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
I just explained it. Weird you can't follow what I said. (But there are no living trilobites)

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Message 496 of 518 (812789)
06-20-2017 8:50 AM
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06-20-2017 8:43 AM


Re: And then there are the Horseshoe Crabs.
It's clearly a trilobite, every one of them, all derived from the same genome, no matter what complicated system of classification you lay on them.

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