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JonF
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Message 586 of 993 (799358)
02-09-2017 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by Faith
02-09-2017 1:47 PM


Right of course, it couldn't be that I expect the conservative interpretation to be the true one, could it?
Nop. It is as you stated; to you the conservative interpretation is a priori the true one.

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JonF
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Message 621 of 993 (799421)
02-10-2017 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 587 by Faith
02-09-2017 1:58 PM


I have many times rejected conservative views. And I would this time too except I expect it to turn out that the Liberals are doing the usual obfuscating obstructionist bleep.
You did not say that you "expected" anything. No matter what you may or may not have done other times, this time you explicitly stated that the as-yet-unknown conservative position would be the true one and you would reject the liberal position if it differed.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 622 of 993 (799422)
02-10-2017 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 613 by Faith
02-09-2017 11:02 PM


Re: wondering
So let me understand. Most here want Muslims to be free to enter the country with little or no vetting? Any restrictions at all?
Same with people crossing our southern border? No deportations, some deportions?
That's ridiculous. Your message is a false dichotimy fallacy. There are an infinite number of pssible positions between Trump's illegal order and no control over immigration. Nobody here (or, I bet, anywhere) want's no control over immigration.

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JonF
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Message 741 of 993 (800990)
03-02-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 737 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:13 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
Agencies don't stop acting under the previous administration's orders when a new administration comes into power, they continue as usual until they have new orders. I suspect this is just one of those typical attempts to pin something on Trump that has nothing to do with anything he's done.
Agencies have issued new relevant orders under the Trump administration. I linked to and quoted two of them.
What's happening is due solely to Trump.

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JonF
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Message 742 of 993 (800991)
03-02-2017 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 739 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:48 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
If previous orders are no longer in force and Trump has issued no new orders, ICE should be doing nothing at all.
TRUMP HAS ISSUED NEW ORDERS AND THE AGENCIES HAVE ISSUED MEMOS ON HOW TO ENFORCE THOSE ORDERS.
ICE is doing what Trump, and NOT OBAMA, ordered them to do.
You are assuming a lot, that's all.
You are not only assuming that there are no new orders, you are ignoring multiple posts of those very orders.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 814 of 993 (806131)
04-23-2017 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 799 by Dredge
04-23-2017 1:33 AM


Well, it's about time the Constitution of the USA was updated to protect the citizens it was meant to protect.
Who is it not protecting adequately? Muslims are and were explicitly intended to be under its umbrella.
Our Founding Fathers included Islam

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JonF
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Message 937 of 993 (811263)
06-06-2017 12:10 PM


There is no $110 billion arms deal!
Donald Trump’s presidency is fake news
quote:
... the very same day as Trump’s pantomime bill signing, Brookings Senior fellow Bruce Riedel announced that the administration’s much-ballyhooed $110 billion weapons deal with Saudi Arabia is, in fact, fake news.
There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts, wrote Reidel, citing contacts in the defense business and on the Hill.
Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday, he added. None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

  
JonF
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Message 950 of 993 (811282)
06-06-2017 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 949 by DrJones*
06-06-2017 2:23 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
And it would be much worse for the elderly. Like Faith. And me.

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JonF
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Message 954 of 993 (811296)
06-06-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by Faith
06-06-2017 4:38 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
But they are subsidized.
Far more than in any Republican plan, and the higher premiums especially for the elderly in the Republican plans make that worse.
But the Republican plans do provide more freedom, the freedom to not buy what you desperately need and want but cannot afford.

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JonF
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Message 964 of 993 (812660)
06-19-2017 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 963 by Faith
06-18-2017 2:54 PM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The thing you said originally implied that you think I am stereotyping people...
The term "Islamophobia" is ideologically Marxist, the typically Marxist shaming and debunking accusation against anyone who knows that Islam is a dangerous belief system.
Stereotyping much?
Islamophobia is hatred of Islam, no matter for what reason. You are an Islamophobe.

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JonF
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Message 966 of 993 (812666)
06-19-2017 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 965 by Faith
06-19-2017 8:58 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
{Deleted unwarranted insult}.
I know you think your opinion is justified, and I know you think you cannot ever be wrong, but the real world begs to differ.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 977 of 993 (812784)
06-20-2017 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 975 by Faith
06-20-2017 8:34 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Nobody is forcing you to live here. Saud Arabia is nice and not liberal.

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JonF
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Message 978 of 993 (812785)
06-20-2017 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 976 by jar
06-20-2017 8:37 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Don't forget Jesus said compassion is for wimps. And he hated anyone not in His tribe; remember the parable of the Evil Samaritan.

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JonF
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Message 980 of 993 (812805)
06-20-2017 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 979 by Faith
06-20-2017 9:24 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Oops, you're right. Russia, then. Lots of Christians and about as right wing as you can get. Trump adores the place and its government.

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