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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
JonF
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Message 6 of 381 (812806)
06-20-2017 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
06-20-2017 9:17 AM


Re: A great source for the actual information on Marxism
Apply that thought to the other threads.

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Message 15 of 381 (812832)
06-20-2017 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
06-20-2017 11:25 AM


Re: The Motivational Effect of Ideology
The USSR was never Marxist.

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JonF
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Message 51 of 381 (812960)
06-21-2017 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
06-21-2017 4:19 PM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Marxism is pretty much crap.
Marxism did not become the powerful ideology guiding so many nations. They claimed it did but what they did was nothing like Marxism.

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Message 55 of 381 (812969)
06-21-2017 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
06-21-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Critical Theory?
Marxist body of thought that is taught in universities
And of course you can't identify any of these universities or explain how their teachings are Marxist.
We know why.

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JonF
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Message 71 of 381 (813004)
06-22-2017 8:51 AM
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06-22-2017 2:26 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
But that's concern for your neighbor unless they're undocumented, brown Latinxs, right?
Or muslim.
Or Roman Catholic.
Or, I suspect, a member of any of several other groups as yet unidentified.

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Message 72 of 381 (813005)
06-22-2017 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
06-22-2017 3:45 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
Harriet Tubman was an American. I've never said there aren't unjust laws.
But remember if you want to help people you don't do it by violating American law.

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JonF
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Message 89 of 381 (813063)
06-22-2017 12:51 PM


Try bringing some evidence with you when you return.

  
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Message 107 of 381 (813123)
06-23-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:23 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
Based on what? Trump is known as a friend of workers, he prefers their company to that of rich people.
You're kidding, right? Watch what he does. And remember his long-established pattern of screwing small-business contractors out of their rightful compensation.
 Donald Trump Is Waging a War on Workers: On almost every measure, Trump is making life worse for the working class.

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Message 124 of 381 (813213)
06-24-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
06-24-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Reading Marx and Satan
Richard Wurmbrand was not anyone's official biographer. Why do you lie so? From the same source:
quote:
He compiled circumstantial evidence that Marx was a satanist
And I see that your quote has only circumstantial evidence.\
Is it normal for a father to tell his little children horrifying stories about selling one's dearest treasures to the Devil?
Yes. Ever read Grimm's Fairly Tales? The Dark Side of the Grimm Fairy Tales - HISTORY:
quote:
Graphic violence
Although the brothers Grimm toned down the sex in later editions of their work, they actually ramped up the violence. A particularly horrific incident occurs in The Robber Bridegroom, when some bandits drag a maiden into their underground hideout, force her to drink wine until her heart bursts, rip off her clothes and then hack her body into pieces. Other tales have similarly gory episodes. In Cinderella the evil stepsisters cut off their toes and heels trying to make the slipper fit and later have their eyes pecked out by doves; in The Six Swans an evil mother-in-law is burned at the stake; in The Goose Maid a false bride is stripped naked, thrown into a barrel filled with nails and dragged through the streets; and in Snow White the wicked queen dies after being forced to dance in red-hot iron shoes. Even the love stories contain violence. The princess in The Frog King turns her amphibian companion into a human not by kissing it, but instead by hurling it against a wall in frustration.
Child abuse
Even more shockingly, much of the violence in Grimm’s Fairy Tales is directed at children. Snow White is just 7 years old when the huntsman takes her into the forest with orders to bring back her liver and lungs. In The Juniper Tree a woman decapitates her stepson as he bends down to get an apple. She then chops up his body, cooks him in a stew and serves it to her husband, who enjoys the meal so much he asks for seconds. Snow White eventually wins the day, as does the boy in The Juniper Tree, who is brought back to life. But not every child in the Grimms’ book is so lucky. The title character in Frau Trude turns a disobedient girl into a block of wood and tosses her into a fire. And in The Stubborn Child a youngster dies after God lets him become sick.
Anti-Semitism
The Grimms gathered over 200 tales for their collection, three of which contained Jewish characters. In The Jew in the Brambles the protagonist happily torments a Jew by forcing him to dance in a thicket of thorns. He also insults the Jew, calling him a dirty dog, among other things. Later on, a judge doubts that a Jew would ever voluntarily give away money. The Jew in the story turns out to be a thief and is hanged. In The Good Bargain a Jewish man is likewise portrayed as a penny-pinching swindler. During the Third Reich, the Nazis adopted the Grimms’ tales for propaganda purposes. They claimed, for instance, that Little Red Riding Hood symbolized the German people suffering at the hands of the Jewish wolf, and that Cinderella’s Aryan purity distinguished her from her mongrel stepsisters.
Incest
In All-Kinds-of-Fur a king promises his dying wife that he will only remarry if his new bride is as beautiful as her. Unfortunately, no such woman exists in the whole world except his daughter, who ends up escaping his clutches by fleeing into the wilderness. While interviewing sources, the Grimms likewise heard versions of a different story—The Girl Without Hands—with an incestuous father. Nonetheless, in all editions of their book they recast this father as the devil.

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JonF
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Message 128 of 381 (813225)
06-24-2017 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
06-24-2017 12:04 PM


Re: Reading Marx and Satan
You're right. So who is his official biographer.
So Wurmbrand objects to telling your children stories about selling your soul to the devil. He'd probably also object to the Grimm stories. So what.
So I take it you admit there's no evidence Marx was a Satanist.

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Message 129 of 381 (813226)
06-24-2017 1:12 PM
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06-24-2017 12:11 PM


Re: the Tenets of Satanism
I don't see any mention of Marx.
Anti-Satanist BS has been a round for a long time. Without any actual evidence of such practices. Got anything written by Satanist?

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Message 166 of 381 (813274)
06-25-2017 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
06-24-2017 10:36 PM


Re: Marxism is no solution to human problems
it seems to me that private wealth is a good thing for society.
Excessive private wealth, such as we have in the US, is good for those who have it and bad for society overall. Not that I'm any kind of Marxist.
As both California and Kansas have demonstrated, the solution is higher taxes on the wealthy, which leads to large economic growth. Lowering taxes produces economic disaster.
But this is all way OT. Got anything relevant to say?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 168 of 381 (813277)
06-25-2017 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
06-25-2017 9:40 AM


Re: Marxism is no solution to human problems
othing you've said really addresses Marxist versus Capitalist issues anyway.
True. And nothing you have said addresses Marxism vs Capitalism.
I'm aware that wealth can be used for bad purposes but I'm far from convinced that anything you've said addresses the real issues, or that they can be addressed by Marxism versus Capitalism at all.
Marxism vs capitalism is not an issue in the US and hasn't been for quite some time.
The real issue is Republican tax dogma. Trickle-down economics doesn't work. It has never worked. It will never work. But it does accomplish what the Republican politicians want: more wealth for the wealthy, less wealth for the middle class and poor.

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Message 236 of 381 (813668)
06-29-2017 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:44 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations.
Bullshit.
But you haven't been censored, nobody has attempted to control you or force you to conform to anything other then US law, or denied you nay freedom of speech.

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Message 248 of 381 (813699)
06-29-2017 7:48 PM
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06-29-2017 6:46 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
The countries of the UK are officially Christian, each with its own official church. In practice, no; the population is increasingly more diverse and the Churches have less political power than ours.

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