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edge
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Message 1156 of 1352 (812800)
06-20-2017 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1154 by Faith
06-20-2017 12:37 AM


Re: Evidence for the Flood revisited
It went somewhere "off screen" ...
"Somewhere offscreen". Now that's a great explanation.
Probably "for some reason", yes?
... though I think there is enough rubble scattered around the canyon to account for it,
Oh, good. Then maybe you can show us the evidence for this.
... and I still like my idea that the Vishnu schist incorporates a lot of it although you have claimed it didn't.
Well, if it did, there should be evidence, yes?
Oh, right! Those paradigm conflicted geologists are too incompetent to see it.
Don't confuse your ideas with facts.
How about we stick to things that we know happen? Like erosion. Like serial mountain building. Like cross-cutting structures.

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Faith 
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Message 1157 of 1352 (812801)
06-20-2017 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1155 by edge
06-20-2017 9:33 AM


Re: Evidence for the Flood revisited
Thank you for your thoughtful assessment. My scenario does hold together very nicely nevertheless. I can only hope that some day you see the absolute total absurdity of the Geo Time Scale which makes your science a joke.

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Message 1158 of 1352 (812804)
06-20-2017 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1157 by Faith
06-20-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Evidence for the Flood revisited
IOW you got nuthin' but your fantasy.

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Coyote
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Message 1159 of 1352 (812825)
06-20-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1157 by Faith
06-20-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Evidence for the Flood revisited
I can only hope that some day you see the absolute total absurdity of the Geo Time Scale which makes your science a joke.
Actually, the "Geo Time Scale" holds up quite nicely, as do the various forms of dating that support both it and numerous other fields of science.
It is the young earth belief that does not hold up to scrutiny.

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ICANT
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Message 1160 of 1352 (813086)
06-23-2017 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1056 by Coyote
06-16-2017 9:36 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
When do you place it?
According to the different scholars the Bible says it took place about 2348 BC. It just depends on which one you believe.
I know you don't believe in any # they come up with because you do not believe in the Super Natural or in God.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1161 of 1352 (813087)
06-23-2017 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1058 by Faith
06-16-2017 9:45 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi Faith,
Faith writes:
I don't follow any particular creationist ministries.
You mean to tell me that you come up with all these unbiblical stories all by yourself.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1162 of 1352 (813088)
06-23-2017 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1068 by ringo
06-16-2017 12:11 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
That's exactly what the bible says:
Can you give me chapter and verse where an eruption took when talking about the fountains of the deep.
You do know we have fountains of the deep today and we call them springs don't you?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1163 of 1352 (813095)
06-23-2017 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1078 by edge
06-16-2017 4:01 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi edge,
edge writes:
As you wish. However, I don't see any of these things producing a flood.
Are you trying to convince me that rain and water from springs could not cause a flood?
edge writes:
Okay, so that's your story.
No that is the Bible story and I am sticking with it.
edge writes:
Well, reading YEC stories does get confusing.
Yes they do.
qs=
edge writes:
Hey, I can only know what you guys tell me about a fanciful event.
Nothing fancy about it. It just rained and the water rose for a hundred and fifty days.
edge writes:
Most tsunamis are less than that and do a lot of damage.
Yes, and in a tsunami all the water is traveling in one direction, and is caused by an earthquake.
According to the Bible story the water would have come from every direction and had 150 days to cover the earth. Which no one knows the elevation of land mass that existed at that time.
edge writes:
That's nice. But not really relevant. None of them would flood the earth. And I have been to some of them. Do you understand where the water coming from these springs comes from?
Sure I know where it comes from.
Do you know where the water came from out of the fountains of the deep.
I would say in places like scientists found probing the earth's interior in Asia. They found a reservoir of water the size of the artic ocean.
Open up a bunch of holes in that baby and you would get a lot of water. Since we know that one exists that gives us high probability that there were more before the flood that opened up and the ocean floor collapsed into the cavity, after the flood and that is where the water went to after the flood.
edge writes:
Well, in that case, you are both wrong. There is no evidence to suggest that such a thing happened.
Just what evidence would you expect to find?
Especially since the earth was divided at least a hundred and fifty years after the flood took place.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Coyote
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Message 1164 of 1352 (813118)
06-23-2017 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1160 by ICANT
06-23-2017 5:09 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
ICANT writes:
Coyote writes:
When do you place it?
According to the different scholars the Bible says it took place about 2348 BC. It just depends on which one you believe.
How can you reconcile that date with the fact that we have archaeological evidence for that date showing no flood features, showing continuity of human cultures from before and after that date, and we have genetic patterns that are the same from before to after that date? And this is from my own archaeological research.
And my colleagues around the world have produced the same evidence thousands of times over.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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ringo
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Message 1165 of 1352 (813131)
06-23-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1162 by ICANT
06-23-2017 5:23 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
ICANT writes:
Can you give me chapter and verse where an eruption took when talking about the fountains of the deep.
I did. Genesis 6:7 and Genesis 6:13 show that God's intention was "the end of all flesh". Forty days and nights of rain, along with the fountains of the deep, was the means to that end.
ICANT writes:
You do know we have fountains of the deep today and we call them springs don't you?
If you're saying that the fountains of the deep were plain old ordinary everyday springs, you're shooting yourself in the foot. All they do is recycle water and there ain't enough of it for the flood as described in Genesis. Floodists have to make up magical fountains shooting water from magical subterranean oceans to account for the depth of water.

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ICANT
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Message 1166 of 1352 (813146)
06-23-2017 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1055 by JonF
06-16-2017 7:42 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi Jon,
JonF writes:
But then you have no evidence of any of those holes producing water in the quantity required. Calling them fountains is just labeling.
As I have said there is no knowledge of the sea level of the land mass at the time of the flood. There was only one land mass at that time.
So can you tell me how much water was required to cover a mass of land that we don't know the elevation of?
As I mentioned to edge there is lots of water underground ,that has been found besides the ground water that migrates to the aquifer.
The earth today is not what it was in the past.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1167 of 1352 (813147)
06-23-2017 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Coyote
06-23-2017 10:06 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
How can you reconcile that date with the fact that we have archaeological evidence for that date showing no flood features, showing continuity of human cultures from before and after that date, and we have genetic patterns that are the same from before to after that date? And this is from my own archaeological research.
What would you expect to find? The Bible says the earth was divided after the flood.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Coyote
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Message 1168 of 1352 (813148)
06-23-2017 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1167 by ICANT
06-23-2017 3:53 PM


Re: The date of the flood...
What would you expect to find? The Bible says the earth was divided after the flood.
The evidence shows that's incorrect.
The breakup of Pangaea started some 175 million years ago.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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ICANT
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Message 1169 of 1352 (813150)
06-23-2017 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by ringo
06-23-2017 11:47 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I did. Genesis 6:7 and Genesis 6:13 show that God's intention was "the end of all flesh". Forty days and nights of rain, along with the fountains of the deep, was the means to that end.
quote:
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
I see nothing about eruption.
quote:
Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
I see nothing about eruption there either.
But yes the idea was to destroy all creatures that breathed air.
ringo writes:
If you're saying that the fountains of the deep were plain old ordinary everyday springs, you're shooting yourself in the foot. All they do is recycle water and there ain't enough of it for the flood as described in Genesis. Floodists have to make up magical fountains shooting water from magical subterranean oceans to account for the depth of water.
But I am talking about fountains opened up from huge supplies of water as the body of water in Asia. There could have been many of them. The water being under great pressure would come forth through what ever hole was made in the rock which hole was later pluged when God closed them. Later the rocks that had covered the water would cave in and sink to the bottom when the water started to recede so the water could go back where it came from. It would just be above the land mas rather than in the earth.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 1170 of 1352 (813151)
06-23-2017 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1166 by ICANT
06-23-2017 3:48 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
ICANT writes:
As I mentioned to edge there is lots of water underground ,that has been found besides the ground water that migrates to the aquifer.
The 'oceans' underground are not in a free flowing state, the water is fused into rock 400 miles deep. Feel free to invoke a miracle.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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