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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
Taken from this site 3(b). The Hypothetico-Deductive Method
Does anyone else see that Stephen ben Yeshua's version of H-D is so esoteric that he in no way adheres to actual H-D? Stephen's two pet ideas are 1. that Jehovah exists 2. that demons exist and that this can be proven (which is also impossible under H-D) scientifically. Given the below description of H-D, it is clear that everything he has proposed to date fails H-D as there is no way to falsify either claim. It also fails predictive analysis because it in no way narrows down the list of possibilities and thus one can no more predict the existence of demons or what their effects would be in one circumstance than any other. It could be a sentient ice cream cone. It is clear that Stephen does not adhere to any version of H-D that would be compatible with science. The main question of this post, can we conclude that much like the ID movement, Stephen wishes to couch his beliefs in pseudo-scientific terms in order to project an impression of scientific credibility on the gullible or to validate his beliefs to himself? Or has this person so genuinely misunderstood the entire point of science that he is unable to grasp its most basic concepts and the clear benefits that methodological naturalism have brought to our understanding of the natural world? The two are not mutually exclusive. CHAPTER 3: The Science of Physical Geography (b). The Hypothetico-Deductive Method Philosopher Karl Popper suggested that it is impossible to prove a scientific theory true by means of induction, because no amount of evidence assures us that contrary evidence will not be found. Instead, Karl Popper proposed that proper science is accomplished by deduction. Deduction involves the process of falsification. Falsification is a particular specialized aspect of hypothesis testing. It involves stating some output from theory in specific and then finding contrary cases using experiments or observations. The methodology proposed by Popper is commonly known as the hypothetico-deductive method. Popper's version of scientific method first begins with the postulation of a hypothesis. A hypothesis is an educated guess or a theory that explains some phenomenon. The researcher then tries to prove or test this scientific theory false through prediction or experimentation (see Figure 3a-2).A prediction is a forecast or extrapolation from the current state of the system of interest. Predictions are most useful if they can go beyond simple forecast. An experiment is a controlled investigation designed to evaluate the outcomes of causal manipulations on some system of interest. To get a better understanding of the hypothetico-deductive method, we can examine the following geographic phenomena. In the brackish tidal marshes of the Pacific Coast of British Columbia and Washington, we find that the plants in these communities spatially arrange themselves in zones that are defined by elevation. Near the shoreline plant communities are dominated primarily by a single species known as Scirpus americanus. At higher elevations on the tidal marsh Scirpus americanus disappears and a species called Carex lyngbyei becomes widespread. The following hypothesis has been postulated to explain this unique phenomenon: The distribution of Scirpus americanus and Carex lyngbyei is controlled by their tolerances to the frequency of tidal flooding. Scirpus americanus is more tolerant of tidal flooding than Carex lyngbyei and as a result it occupies lower elevations on the tidal marsh. However, Scirpus americanus cannot survive in the zone occupied by Carex lyngbyei because not enough flooding occurs. Likewise, Carex lyngbyei is less tolerant of tidal flooding than Scirpus americanus and as a result it occupies higher elevations on the tidal marsh. Carex lyngbyei cannot survive in the zone occupied by Scirpus americanus because too much flooding occurs.According to Popper, to test this theory a scientist would now have to prove it false. As discussed above this can be done in two general ways: 1) predictive analysis; or 2) by way of experimental manipulation. Each of these methods has been applied to this problem and the results are described below. Predictive Analysis If the theory is correct, we should find that in any tidal marsh plant community that contains Scirpus americanus and Carex lyngbyei that the spatial distribution of these two species should be similar in all cases. This is indeed true. However, there could be some other causal factor, besides flooding frequency, that may be responsible for these unique spatial patterns. Experimental Manipulation If the two species are transplanted into the zones of the other they should not be able to survive. An actual transplant experiment found that Scirpus americanus can actually grow in the zone occupied by Carex lyngbyei, while Carex lyngbyei could also grow at lower Scirpus sites. However, this growth became less vigorous as the elevation became lower and at a certain elevation it could not grow at all. These results falsify the postulated theory. So the theory must be modified based on the results and tested again. The process of testing theories in science is endless. Part of this problem is related to the complexity of nature. Any one phenomenon in nature is influenced by numerous factors each having its particular cause and effect. For this reason, one positive test result is not conclusive proof that the phenomenon under study is explained. However, some tests are better than others and provide us with stronger confirmation. These tests usually allow for the isolation of the phenomena from the effects of causal factors. Manipulative experiments tend to be better than tests based on prediction in this respect.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
I don't think that is what anyone is trying to imply. Stephen claims that H-D is a superior alternative to methodological naturalism. However, he seems to define (or not define) H-D any way he sees to fit his arguement.
If he is claiming that just having an idea makes the idea more probable and that farts and anecdotes are better evidence than anything gathered by direct observation or experimentation AND that it is irrelevant whether or not you can falsify your hypothesis, I want him to explain in what way is it superior to methodological naturalism and what (if anything at all) it has to do with Popper and H-D.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
He he
Funny you should mention the Ig's...I was thinking about that exactly when writing this post...in case you missed it, Stephen claims that farting is evidence that demons exist...if that is not a great topic for an Ig Nobel, nothing is
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
It is among the whacky things he has said
quote: and Abshaloms great reply to Stephen's fecal fantasies
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
What is fascinating is the parallel with salty (sorry holmes I know you were not around for his wit). Salty was also a biologist who did some fairly widely acknowledged work on developmental biology in the early 60's. He then had some kind of conversion, completely stopped publishing scientifically, went on rants bearings similarity to Stephen, got himself fired from his professorship and now writes anti-evolution articles in a completely obscure Italian anti-evolution journal. If you went to salty's website, it was clear he could remember and somewhat understand the concepts he worked on in the past but like Stephen, he could no longer see how he reached his scientific conclusions when presented with a new problem. Instead, like Stephen he argued from supposed authority and based his so called "evidence" on pure anecdote (anyone remember semi-meiosis?) or very similar arguments to Stephens like "design is real because design is self evident". He also loved to insult everyone and claimed that it was an honor to be insulted by evolutionists.
It makes you wonder what kind of trauma one goes through that can obliterate ones ability to think logically. Especially after having practiced methodological naturalism for an extended period of time.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: However, they do not use the "light of science" or anything related to it. The completely reject the scientific method because it will not support their beliefs. They are more like the guy searching for his keys he lost in the park who does not realize he sold his house 20 years ago and gave the keys away with it.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
My office does NOT, I repeat, does NOT have poor ventilation...sheesh, eat some spoiled saurkraut at the Hofbrauhaus one time and everyone goes crazy blaming the ventilation...and MN did not do anything for us..those fart demons are posteriorly plausibly confirmed to have dun it.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
My avatar is a columbian mammoth displayed on the fourth floor of the American Museum of Natural History in the hall of mammals. You can sort of make out gomphothere that is standing behind it and the back end of a mastodon that is next to it.
Menacing and alluring is probably how my wife would describe me after I eat saurkraut and kartoffelknoedel. But I would first have to pray to Caspar the friendly ghost to posteriorly raise the probability to 0.6..oops farted, just went to 0.61...I start to think that at a black bean and taco eating contest, the probability of anything happening must approach 1.0.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
There is apparently a exceptionally large mammoth skeleton on display in the Mammoth Museum in Siegsdorf, but I have not seen it...and a Russian colleague of mine said it was stolen from the museum in St. Petersberg...so maybe not a German mammoth. There is another one in the Zoological Museum in Darmstadt..but I did not read where they dug it up. Considering you can get mammoth parts on eBay for 50 bucks, it could be from anywhere
I suspect Stephen thinks I am a demon..or at least possessed by one. This would make the second creationist. A guy called Wordswordsman claimed I was an evil sorcerer...I was hoping that title came with a cool hat and a lucrative stipend..but unfortunately not.
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