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It would be extremely helpful if you would use scientific statements instead of hyperbolic ones.

Defining what a holobaramin is does not tell us how you determine which species belong in an holobaramin. You don't list any criteria for determining which species belong to the same kind.

Biologists regularly cite antibiotic resistance as an example of evolution. Antibiotic resistance is nothing more than natural selection.Furthermore, if natural selection is "evolution" and common descent is "evolution", how can evolution not be used as evidence of evolution? This was one of the accusations used against Christ's followers when the Holy Spirit visited them on the Day of Pentecost.Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

"This theory (evolution) has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless".- (the late) Louis Bouroune, Professor of Biology, University of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum.Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

Thanks for that, Dredge. Could you please provide an exact reference to the original document where he wrote/said that?

I don't suppose you are, but just in case you're interested in the truth of that quote please read this:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part12.htmlBut you could skip that because hunting for people that have said things that you hope support your fantasies is a lost cause

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"The validity of the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection does not depend on a quote by anyone, Nobel prize winner or Pope. There are a number of scientists (e.g. Fred Hoyle) who have done great work and also hold eccentric opinions on certain scientific matters. So what? Quotations are not facts about the natural world. Science progresses despite (and sometimes because of) eccentric individuals, but no individual's opinions are revered as facts. The process [of scientific investigation] retains the true and discards the false."

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According to Talk Origins, the quote comes from Bouroune's book, Determinism and Finality, p.79. But according to TO, the quotes don't match, so I don't know what's going on there. Perhaps this is a lame attempt to discredit the quote; Talk Origins is hardly a trustworthy source of facts, after all. The quote may come from a different source other than the one claimed by TO.Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

Well TO tells us that"So far as the research below demonstrates, this quotation appears to be a mistakenly jumbled combination of statements made by two different people at least 36 years ago"So I suggest you go back to YOUR source - presumably some creationist quote mine - and tell us its origin properly.

That's why I'm asking, you, personally, Dredge, to provide the exact references to the original. This will enable us to try and verify it, ourselves.Don't tell me you quoted from somewhere without reading the original sources?I don't think you will pass any first year science course at any University...

Ok, let's solve it. On evc there is a function where the originals could be sent privately through the admins of this site. No infringement on copy rights, etc. Could you send me the original source of the quote you provided?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Nope.

IOW, Dredge was clearly quoting a creationist lie.What are you willing to bet the Dredge never follows that link? That Dredge will just keep himself willfully ignorant of the truth?

False. The emergence of antibiotic resistance also includes random mutations and/or horizontal genetic transfer followed by natural selection. The combination of genetic changes and natural selection adds up to evolution. First, natural selection nor common descent are evolution.Secondly, are you saying that observations of evolution in action is not evidence for evolution?Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

That, my friend, is what we call projection. You go to creationist websites that publish known lies. You repeat them. When those lies are exposed, you try to diminish this problem by calling everyone else liars.When you are ready to stop repeating creationist lies published on creationist websites, let us know.

Yeah, they are so good at exposing creationist lies that you can't trust them to support your fantasies. In fact the whole website is dedicated to exposing creationist lies, from the PRATT list to the Quote Mine Project. Horrid people.See Quote Mining, false witness for the gullible and willfully ignorantYou might want to read their list so that you can copy the best quote mines ...