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Author Topic:   Between A Rock & A Hard Place
Tangle
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Message 61 of 67 (814655)
07-11-2017 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Phat
07-11-2017 2:08 PM


Re: Between A Rock & A Hard Place Remix
I read the 2009 and thought I was reading a 2017 thread - so I agree, you haven't changed much :-)
But, since you've been praying for answers for at least 8 years and not got any, why do you still believe that you will? Can't God work as fast as this forum? Are you just sat in his in tray?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 63 of 67 (814660)
07-11-2017 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
07-11-2017 2:44 PM


Re: Between A Rock & A Hard Place Remix
Phat writes:
I answered this also in 2009. Post 59.
Yeh, it was an excuse then and it still is. You prayed for an answer, you didn't get one. After 8 years of trying.
Secular arguments could just as easily drop the God-in-me and satan-in-me approach and go with ID, Ego, and SuperEgo.
No you couldn't - all that stuff is just as big a load of bollox as the god stuff. Just people making stuff up.
The keywords towards such an approach as prayer are introspection and mindfulness
Just today's crap.
Ignore all the crap - get on with a sensible life, stop obsessing about yourself - go do something useful instead.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 65 of 67 (814664)
07-11-2017 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Phat
07-11-2017 3:25 PM


Re: Between A Rock & A Hard Place Remix
Phat writes:
I'm a stubborn one, though. I see no internal evidence that prayer has failed me.
Except you've been praying for 8 years and haven't had an answer. In the real world, if you called a number for 8 years and didn't get an answer, what would your conclusion be?
Why the obsession or passion at eliminating religion and beliefs, however?
Despite me saying repeatedly that I don't think that eliminating religion is desirable or possible and that it is eliminating itself by exposure to modern science, you need to impose your own version of my beliefs on it?
...but your proselytizing of evidence and logic is taken to an extreme, in my opinion.
I would say that it's evidence taken to it's logical conclusion, but I can understand why you'd see it as extreem. I'm certainly at the opposite end of the belief spectrum to yourself.
So you are saying that Freud made stuff up also?
Of course he did. There's no such thing as 'ids', 'egos' and 'superegos' - they're his theoretical constructs. They can't be measured or monitored - they're essentially untestable. Still, his work had a lot of impact, though largely disgarded by modern clinical psychologists.
But my main point is that you spend endless time thinking about yourself - thatseems to me to be counter-productive.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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