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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That might be how you try to explain it, but it doesn't exactly make a lot of sense. Especially as your "mounding" is supposed to be taking place at about the same time.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That is not at all my point. The point is that it is extremely odd to have the same rock strongly resistant to deformation in one case and happily accommodating - in your opinion, quite rapid - deformation at about the same time.
quote: By which you mean that you are going to resort to lying to "win". Well I've been arguing with creationists long enough to be used to it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: I will simply point out that the post that you are replying to does not bother to deny it.
quote: Or in other words you are just assuming your "explanation" despite the evidence. At least that shows that I was right to dismiss that argument.
quote: Then perhaps you can tell us what it is. (And if you need the context just look back at your message. It's easy)
quote: That is obviously irrelevant. (Technically you are completely wrong, but I'll assume that you mean the tilting). You can't show a relationship between the tilt and the mounding by only talking about the mounding. Your argument in this point cannot possibly be valid for that reason alone.
quote: Assuming a single event doesn't show that it is a single event, no matter how hard you try to explain away the evidence. Even a good explanation wouldn't be positive evidence - and an explanation this bad weighs against you.
quote: As I have pointed out that seems inconsistent with the mounding. And the idea of the erosion happening underground is rather daft when you consider the evidence. How, for instance would the monadnocks be formed ?
quote: You call it easy, I call it impossible. That's why I asked for evidence, not your opinion.
quote: I can't think of any reason to expect things to behave completely differently in this case.
quote: Forgetting about inconvenient evidence hardly helps your case Faith. My evidence that the river carved the Canyon are the meanders - features of a mature river, not raging floodwaters.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Not in any significant way. If you assume that Babylon is not Babel, then it must be founded at some time after the birth of Peleg. But archaeology makes it clear that by the time Babylon was founded there were people all over the Earth, and had been for a long time - hardly consistent with Babylon being founded shortly after the division. As for ancient documents perhaps you would like to look at the Sumerian Kings List and work out when Eridu was founded. Or perhaps you will trust archaeology instead.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Indeed. If ICANT had bothered to check his concordance he would see that the word translated as "tongue" can mean "language".
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Only in the sense that they could not possibly be created by a single short-term worldwide water event. Which has been shown again and again. (And even making that claim is contrary to your assertions that we can't know what the Flood would do and that it is impossible to work out what happened in the past through physical evidence)
quote: Oh this is your silly strawman about the "fact" that nothing can live in a depositional environment - despite all the creatures living in depositions environments today ?
quote: Not quite. The fact that your "evidence" points against the Flood is damning, of course. However fairness requires us to go further before rejecting the Flood altogether.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: The big problem for that idea is that the sorting does not correlate with any properties that would support mechanical sorting.
quote: It seems rather obvious to me. Descendants must live after their ancestors. Thus evolution predicts a temporal order related to the taxonomic tree of life. And naturally this temporal order must show up in the fossil record if it is a long-term history of life on Earth.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Go on explain it to me. Or maybe you should try thinking about it first.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Walther's law should help you answer that. If you understood why the sequences associated with transgressions and regressions are associated with those events. Deserts are pretty flat. River deltas, too.
quote: If you can find trilobites living alongside non-avian dinosaurs today I'd like to see it. However your point is false. At most locations a whole range of different life forms are found. E.g. At one of my favourite sites - when I was young - I found plentiful remains of sea urchins, crinoids, assorted bivalves and other molluscs.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Indeed you have shown that the Flood is a ridiculous falsehood. For the rest of us everything else had fallen into place - the old Earth and evolution make sense of what we see where the Flood utterly fails.
quote: In reality we have rocks - which are sometimes far from flat even in areas we have discussed, and not all deposited by water. We have clear evidence that they were deposited over long periods of time. Maybe you will some day catch up with the exciting new developments of the 19th Century
quote: Perhaps you can tell us what evidence gives us even a "rough" date for the Flood in line with your expectations. As for the rest the evidence that you refer to clearly does not show any such thing.
quote: Your evidence "for" the Flood clearly supports the old Earth and evolution. That certainly seems worth considering to me.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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I note that you do not offer any evidence for even roughly dating the Flood to the time you suppose it happened. You claimed to have it. What is it ?
quote: Unfortunately for you there are places where later strata were clearly laid down after the strata were folded - sometimes long after. And we have discussed examples.
quote: We have solid dating evidence, you dismiss it on grounds that are clearly invalid. We have the order in the fossil record, which you have no sensible explanation for. We have clear evidence of tectonic forces bending the rocks before later strata were deposited - and large amounts of erosion between the events. We have desert deposits. We have evapourites deposited during your "Flood" We have lava flows that spread under the air, not the water. It is those who would try to pretend that this evidence does not exust who are deluded.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: In other words you claimed to have evidence you did not have.
quote: Well, you invented crazy nonsense to avoid admitting that you were wrong, but that's all. And then there's all the other evidence that the Flood fails to explain - and more than I listed in my previous post. Dismiss it if you want to put your interpretation of the Bible first, but at least be honest about it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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So all you've got is falsehood and a refusal to a knowledge the evidence.
Hardly a great case.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Laugh at the truth all you like. You still don't have a case.
That's why you don't even try to discuss the evidence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The fact that you have to ignore the evidence proves that you lost.
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