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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
then does any mutation that adds to the genetic diversity mean it is evolution outside the kind? Utterly silly question, incomprehensible really. First such a mutation is so rare as to be nonexistent.Second if it does occur it will either be selected and become part of the evolving new species or it will be selected out of that population. Of the Kind.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Last time I objected to somebody's answering a question I asked someone else I got upbraided by Admin. Personally I'd be very happy if we could decide who posts to us, I'd immediately eliminate at least half a dozen EvCers.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
It's not just that you answered the question, it is that you answered it in a rude and arrogant way that completely discounted whatever CRR might mean.
Utterly silly question, incomprehensible really.
Asking CRR to clarify something he said should not be seen as "utterly silly" and if you find it "incomprehensible" the problem is clearly with you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What are you talkiing about? You need to provide links when you sling accusations. I have no idea how CRR got into this. I was responding to RAZD and referring to something that occurred some time ago that was not about CRR as far as I kinow.
RAZD's question hit me as completely nonsensical. And you are certainly not the one to correct me if I'm wrong. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I am talking about the exchange in this thread. RAZD asked CRR a question. You butted in and rudely answered it as if the question was about your ideas.
quote: The links are already provided by the forum software. All you have to do is to follow the discussion back a few messages. Is that too difficult for you ? In that case CRR posted Message 74RAZD responded Message 75 You rudely butted in Message 76 Less than twelve hours after posting that message you've apparently forgotten all about it.
quote: If you can't manage to follow the thread of a conversation then someone has to.Why not me ? And why not simply follow the discussion a few steps back rather than making angry demands ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I "BUTTED IN" ON A QUESTION OF GENERAL INTEREST TO CREATIONISTS AND ANYONE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION. CRR CAN ANSWER IT IN HIS OWN WAY. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You butted in on a request for CRR to clarify his views. Since you aren't CRR and don't have any special knowledge that would let you answer for him, you can't offer anything more than your personal opinion. You were also extremely rude about it, despite not even bothering to understand the context. Simply pointing out that you don't believe that would be enough. You should also know by now that trying to cover up your silly mistakes by bullying me into silence doesn't work. it just makes you look even worse.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
I agree, Faith is welcome to "butt in" if he has a relevant comment.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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That would be she, not he. In her seventies and consumed by hate and rage. Brown people, immigrants, Roman Catholics, homosexuals, liberals, mainstream anything, and probably others. All of them, in her words, "deserve to be hated". {Adminnemooseus - Content hidden. Rather rude, but more so, massively off-topic} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Hide and add note.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes: ... then does any mutation that adds to the genetic diversity mean it is evolution outside the kind? As I have argued elsewhere diversity alone does not require "macroevolution". Sickle cell trait has added to diversity of blood types but it is clearly a defect. One copy is detrimental although it can provide a nett benefit in some circumstances, two copies is always detrimental. Using the analogy of a light switch. A functioning on/off switch is the archetype. Broken always on and broken always off add diversity but not function. An on/off switch that transformed into a dimmer switch would be much more interesting but would still be a lightswitch. Dog breeding provides a good example of increasing diversity within a kind. Different breeds are developed and maintained by eliminating undesired traits. Allow dogs to freely breed and there would be regression toward the mean to produce a range of mongrels. (btw, I'm a European Mongrel). Mutations can produce new traits that are sometimes valued and selected by breeders but the product is still a dog. ' "Small population size during domestication and strong artificial selection for breed-defining traits has unintentionally increased the numbers of deleterious genetic variants," the researchers write.' So clearly RAZD's question can be answered in the negative.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes: First such a mutation is so rare as to be nonexistent. As my reply to RAZD shows mutations that increase diversity are not necessarily rare, but many of them are detrimental and even the beneficial ones are usually defects of some sort. What IS rare are the beneficial information adding mutations, Macroevolution, that would be essential for the proposed evolutionary history of life. Evolution apologists need to show that sufficient macroevolution can take place during the time available to produce the changes required. For this purpose no amount of examples of devolution is sufficient. Come to think of it maybe we should change to Darwin's Theory of Devolution; that would be consistent with the evidence.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
...during the time available Please specify how much time you see as being available.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That would be she, not he. In her seventies and consumed by hate and rage. Brown people, immigrants, Roman Catholics, homosexuals, liberals, mainstream anything, and probably others. All of them, in her words, "deserve to be hated". That is way way out of line. The Left has no ability to tell the difference between ideas and people. (Or you're just being true to Saul Alinsky's methods). I hate lots of ideas, I don't hate people. If you are going to quote me, provide the link. I think you need to be reported for this.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The Left has no ability to tell the difference between ideas and people. I hate lots of ideas, I don't hate people. Yet the stupid wall is not a barrier to stop ideas, it is meant to stop people. Roman Catholic ideas never harmed anyone. Islamic ideas are already spread throughout the world. The Pope is not an idea but rather a person.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.
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