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Author Topic:   Does the history of life require "macroevolution"?
Faith 
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Message 95 of 127 (815157)
07-16-2017 8:46 PM
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07-16-2017 8:39 PM


Re: Simple Example -- any new mutation is outside the kind?
I hate ideologies, and if you gave a link that would become clear. But Lefties really have no ability to think. That's why it's always all about people and not about the ideologies that tyrannically and murderously seek to rule the world, including their own Marxism.
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Message 97 of 127 (815162)
07-16-2017 11:59 PM
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07-16-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Completely off topic
The thousands often quoted refer to the Spanish Inquisition, but that was only a small part of the persecutions of non-Catholics by the RCC. The main reference for the high numbers killed by the RCC over 600 years is this study by David Plaisted which includes causes other than the Inquisition.
Cripplegate, a popular Protestant blog says:
However, if the term is used in a broad senseto represent all Roman Catholic activity against non-Catholicsthen the numbers rise dramatically. If the historian includes forms of torture andkilling that did not involve a formal trial, along with religious wars and other forms of Catholic violence enacted againstProtestants and other non-Catholics (in areas outside of Spain and Portugal), then one can easily speak in terms of millions of peoplewho were killed.
And they mention Plaisted's study:
David Plaisted acknowledges that reality in his study: namely, that the really big estimates of Protestants killed by the papacy throughout Europeanhistory necessarily include those who died in religious conflicts like the Thirty Years War.
50 million Christians and 17 million Jews and others over 600 years is quoted in various places, such as The History of Romanism by John Dowling, which is online.
The Inquisition is still going on in some Catholic countries, where the local Catholics persecute and murder the local Protestants. A few years ago there was a report of this among a rural Indian population of Mexico. I'll have to look it up.
And it was startling to me to hear about Garibaldi's discovery of people being tortured in dungeons in Rome when he conquered it, long after the supposed end of the official Inquisition.
So, you think the Roman Inquisition ended many centuries ago? Think again
When Garibaldi’s armies marched into Rome in 1848, it was found that the Roman Catholic Church was walling-up, burning alive and also lowering victims — heretics and liberals, into giant ovens.
The Vatican Church dungeons, discovered there, were opened up for the public to see (interestingly similar to what was done after WW2 when the Nazi camps were also opened for public viewing?)
Although I have seen, in a film, pictures of just what was displayed to the public, I can’t find anything on a www image search.
Has there been an attempt to delete these events, and the photographic record, from history?
These events and the pictures are detailed in a film by Adulum Productions called ‘Tares Among the Wheat’ (follow link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wep1KFb3wns
The film also details the discovery that the Inquisition was still in full operation at the Convent of Santo Domingo in Mexico, exposed by H Grattan Guinness in his bookCity of Seven Hills, (1891).
The evidence was presented in an English Baptist Church publication called The Sword and the Trowel’, spring edition 1873 (see link below)
The article was written by the ‘Prince of Preachers’ Mr Charles Spurgeon, minister of the Metropolitan Tabernacle, in South London.
The Sword and the Trowel is still in publication — although todays reverent gentlemen at the Metropolitan Tabernacle are peculiarly reluctant to discuss this and other related matters.
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Message 100 of 127 (815180)
07-17-2017 8:56 AM
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07-17-2017 6:09 AM


Re: Completely off topic
I don't know anything about Plaisted's claims in geology, but this study is well documented.
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Message 102 of 127 (815182)
07-17-2017 9:43 AM
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07-17-2017 9:09 AM


Re: Completely off topic
You "don't buy hating ideologies." You really need to learn the power of ideas. Islam says the world is to be conquered for Allah even if that means killing the "infidels" who don't follow Allah. That's an idea, an ideology, that has consquences in the real world. As all ideas do for good or bad.
The Bible calls homosexuality a sin and defines marriage as between a man and a woman. No hatred of anybody is involved in defending these biblical claims. Islam is a murdering ideology. No racism is involved in making this statement. Illegal immigration is a security issue, there's no racism involved except in the twisted minds of leftists.
You are a typical leftist that can't distinguish between ideas and people. I'm no racist or homophobe or xenophobe or any of the rest of the leftist lies, I address the ideologies that you turn into such personal failures in typical leftist fashion. You might as well be reading from the Alinsky rules or the Frankfurt School. It helps to work up emotion of course and to have an enemy to point to, which is the whole aim of the Left. Conservatives address issues, Leftists slander people.
Since this is off topic I'm not going to continue it here.
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