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Author Topic:   Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption
New Cat's Eye
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Message 2 of 128 (815228)
07-17-2017 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
07-17-2017 4:14 PM


I've lost over a third of my body weight (80+ lbs) since December 2016.
I completely changed my diet and work out 5-7 times a week.
My diet is not unlike the one you linked to.
I eat mostly raw vegetable (with olive oil and vinegar) with almonds or beans for protein. I do eat chicken occasionally.
I do not eat refined sugar or white food like pasta, potatoes, rice, or bread. And I do not eat processed foods.
A couple of pro-tips:
1. it is okay if you feel hungry
2. not every meal has to be delicious
3. learn to eat to sustain yourself in lieu of eating for pleasure
4. Take only small portions and wait for what you ate to settle before you go grab more - you'll find that you don't really need more if you wait a bit
It's cliche, but you literally are what you eat. And every ounce of weight that is on your body, you smooshed through your own face yourself.
So stop doing that.
And don't eat bad things. That'll make you be made of bad things, and that'll make you feel worse.
Eating only good things and ridding my body of the bad stuff has made me feel completely different, physically. It's awesome and I feel great.
Also, your mind comes from your brain and your brain is fed by your body. So, your body feeds your mind.
Getting my body into good physical shape has done nothing but wonders for my mental health.
So you can look forward to that as well

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5 of 128 (815277)
07-18-2017 8:38 AM
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07-18-2017 6:59 AM


It's cliche, but you literally are what you eat. ...
And this applies to your food as well.
No, that's what I meant. You are made of the food that you eat.
If you eat a bunch of processed garbage, you're going to feel like it.
If you eat a bunch of quality foods, you're going to feel like it.
One of the brands we like is Empire Kosher Chicken
Cool, thanks. I'll check it out.
I have switched from butter and fake butter to olive oil for taste and health.
I think I'm gonna start getting more real butter in my life. I'm looking for another source of fat to burn for energy so I can use all this protein for muscle growth.
For dipping lobster, steamed muscles and steamer clams (hey we live on the coast) I use olive oil instead of melted butter.
I forgot to mention that I do eat fish and shellfish...
I've never tried either with olive oil instead of butter but I'm gonna give it a shot.
I keep a supply of toasted almonds for snacking as well as fresh fruit.
I eat so many almonds its ridiculous, but I don't eat fruit.
Diet without exercise is doomed to failure.
I dunno... I mean, it's just a simple math problem:
If you burn off more than you take in, then you will loose weight.
You can certainly increase what you burn off, but if that remains constant and you instead decrease what you take in, then you will loose weight.
We live in a small town and can walk or bicycle everywhere, even to supermarkets (one small local is a block away, another, larger, part of a chain, is a 2 mile bike ride). Biking and walking is part of our lifestyle now.
It is a lifestyle change, not a temporary change.
I would certainly never say don't increase your exercise, but you can, in fact, just starve yourself to weight-loss. It's not healthy, but it'll happen.
One thing that I do think is important is starting small.
Something that you can easily maintain and make routine. Like just a 30 minute walk when you get home from work but before you even sit down.
Once you start getting basic simple stuff being routine, then you can start adding to it to increase your output.
But if you go from zero to hero in one day then you'll never maintain it.
Another thing that I think helps is starting with fasting before you go to increasing your exercise.
Getting a lot of the bullshit out of your body up front makes it easier to be active.
Then when you start getting active, it makes it easier to be active.
Then you start feeling physically better, and that makes it easier to be active.
Then you start getting into shape, and that makes it easier to be active.
But baby steps, gradually over time, all the while not eating any shit-food that'll just make you feel worse.

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Message 10 of 128 (815333)
07-19-2017 8:52 AM
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07-18-2017 7:52 PM


Re: Science & Emotions
I found myself craving sugar insanely and gave in.
That's addiction. Practice the same mindfulness that helps you with gambling.
Physically I crave starches and sugars.
It'll go away. And then you'll feel even better.
Psychologically I find myself saying that this diet is gonna be boring and that I will get sick of this stuff!
Check yourself, Phat. Boredom is a luxury.
Next time you have thoughts like these, pray for all the people in the world who face death from starvation and thank God that you are so fortunate that you have the priviledge of being able to choose to be bored with your diet.
I agree logically, but will for the sake of this thread document my rebellious voice. My inner resistance makes no sense logically, but among other things, I fear trying to do my best and not succeeding 100% because of my years eating badly, my progression of diabetic neuropathy and my likelihood of getting foot ulcers. In other words, I feel as if I have already failed and would prefer someone or something to fix me or bail me out of this mess. I fear that I will get in touch with repressed depression and feel that I've failed at life...silly, I know. As of right now I am looking at the first 3 weeks as the do or die moment. If I can get 21 strong days in and follow the guidelines, I may feel inspired if my energy goes up.
Changing your diet should help with your mental health. Exercise too.
Start getting used to feeling hungry. And just don't eat that much.
It's gonna suck, but not forever, and looking back it went by fairly quickly.
That science is correct. The metabolic rate will drop. In my case, however, I lived a sedentary lifestyle to the extreme anyway. Last summer as I began my gambling sobriety, I was walking nearly every day--but my diet remained roughly the same. This year, I rarely exercise, sleep ten hours a day, and do nothing more than work and get on the computer. In fact, I had a one year membership to a health club that largely went unused. Thus...this battle is psychological as well as physical. Stay tuned....
Get back on walking every day.
I like to use triggers and rewards. You like dicking around on the computer? Reward yourself with that only after you've taken your walk for the day. When you get home (trigger), have your walk at the top of your priorities and get it done before you do anything else.
"Shit, I'm home... time for a walk! Then I get to play on my computer."
NewCatsEye writes:
I would certainly never say don't increase your exercise, but you can, in fact, just starve yourself to weight-loss. It's not healthy, but it'll happen.
Rosedale agrees with you. The change from carbs to fats must be allowed to happen, however. Doing it halfway will not work for this diet.
I've been operating under ketosis:
Ketosis - Wikipedia
And that does not work "half-way"... But I'm pretty sure that I am almost completely out of body-fat.
You sound as optimistic as I used to be in my younger days. I was a serious bicycle rider (25 miles a day average for one year) at age 32, and yet I ate like a fatted calf! (Mainly carbs) whereas now I am getting weak at age 57 and am mildly depressed....sobriety success from gambling notwithstanding.
Seriously, the diet and exercise has done wonders for my anxiety and depression.
If for nothing else, try it for that reason.
I have known of this diet for 15 years and have tried it twice before semi seriously...I managed roughly 3 months each time, I believe. This time, I believe that failure is not an option. I need to change my lifestyle. I really hope this depression lifts after a month or so....pray for me.
Consider it done. And you can do it.
Once I started noticing the positive changes that resulted from my new behaviors, there was no struggle to maintain it - I wanted it.
I think you need to change your outlook from this being something that you have to do to this being something that you want to do.
Getting positive returns can be the object of that desire - but you're going to have to get started to get them. It's like a feedback loop.
I know intuitively that your advice is sound. Documenting my progress(or relapse) here at EvC helps me to stay accountable. I appreciate everyone putting up with my narcissistic diaries. Lets make this program work as well as the last one did!
Well I like reading this stuff, but more so, I like writing about it. So I'll be around.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 11 of 128 (815334)
07-19-2017 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
07-18-2017 8:10 PM


If you don't exercise you will lose muscle mass
I think the biology behind nutrition and diet is too complicated and individualistic to be able to be broken down in to simple if-then statements like that.
If you have little muscle and a lot of fat, then starving will make you loose fat.
But again, I do not recommend starvation as a means to weight loss.
I did fast quite a bit here and there, though.
But that was more for, like, "cleansing" than a dieting strategy.
Oh. Phat, do you have access to a sauna or steam room?
I've also been doing what I call a "flush and fill" where I drink lots of water and sweat my ass off. That seems to help a lot too.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 13 of 128 (815348)
07-19-2017 10:28 AM
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07-19-2017 10:08 AM


Re: Science & Emotions
Sounds good to me.
Feels good to me
I used to get "food comas"... Not any more!
I'm an early riser, and I like to bicycle in the morning before brekky. I'm usually home before other/s rise.
I like to work out after work but before I get home.
Exercise releases endorphins, nature's natural "feel good" medicine ... and one of the best ways to fight depression is to feel good.
I think there's more to it than that, but I dunno.
Indeed, and getting out for a walk or bike ride puts you in touch with your neighborhood. I greet people along the bike path, and it serves two purposes -- people I am coming up behind aren't surprised when I pass, and second, people smile and return it, spreading happiness. Do it regular and you will meet regulars.
Yeah, I should probably consider that more.
I work out hard, and am usually in a mental zone. So when I'm running through my neighborhood I've got tunnel vision and tune out most of the world. Ignoring others allows me to stay focused on what I'm doing, but I'm sure I have my "don't bother me" face on and I'd bet that I'd benefit from being a little friendlier. So thank you

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Message 15 of 128 (815434)
07-20-2017 8:39 AM
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07-19-2017 4:08 PM


Re: Science & Emotions
And that does not work "half-way"... But I'm pretty sure that I am almost completely out of body-fat.
Isn't that a bad thing?
I dunno, it doesn't feel bad. And my doctor said to keep up the good work.
So, I guess not.
Clearly many people have too much fat, but isn't some useful? We degrade fat to generate heat when it's cold, don't we?
Well, I do get cold a lot easier than when I was fat... but it isn't a problem.
Oh, I did have one thing I didn't like about being skinny. I bumped my hip into a door frame the other day - it felt like straight bone on wood and hurt so bad that I almost went to the floor.
Gotta be careful out there

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 17 of 128 (815449)
07-20-2017 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
07-20-2017 8:57 AM


Re: Science & Emotions
I doubt yours is below 15%.
I bet it is. I'm 6'1" and 155 lbs. My BMI is 20.4 (not that that means much).
Maybe I'll upload a shirtless selfie... You can check out my ribs
Seriously though, I'm getting pretty ripped - I'll be looking like Bruce Lee soon enough.
(Having never seen you )
We were Facebook friends for a bit, but I unfriended you so as to not be worried about compromising my anonymity. It was nothing personal.
This is Day3 and I am back on pace. I have been buying a wide variety of foods that fit the diet plan and have a selection of stuff to eat. My biggest problem so far is excess protein...it turns to sugar if you eat too much.
I don't believe that. In my experience, eating excess protein just makes a bigger turd.
But I'm highly active, so may that's a big part of it.
Talk to your doctor, don't take advice on that from the internet.
I already have more energy, however. Stay tuned...
You gonna start exercising some?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 33 of 128 (815770)
07-24-2017 9:54 AM
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07-23-2017 8:02 AM


Re: Day 6-Gathering Information
In summation, quite simply they are wrong.
There's a reason they call it a "practice"
According to the general theory, it will take roughly 21-30 days for my body to switch from being a sugar burning mechanism to a fat burning mechanism.
If you can do it for a month, you have successfully changed your routine.
If you can do it for three months, you have successfully changed your lifesyle.
If you do end up changing your routine, you should notice in a month that you feel a lot better.
Change your lifestyle and you won't look back - 'cause it's awesome not being fat anymore.
After that, I will begin incorporating exercise into the routine on a routine basis-
Whoa, why are you waiting? Start exercising today!
Make a rule: Don't let yourself play on your computer unless you've walked for 30 minutes first

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Message 34 of 128 (815771)
07-24-2017 9:56 AM
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07-23-2017 5:06 PM


Can you buy that cream at a grocery store?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 38 of 128 (815904)
07-26-2017 8:57 AM
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07-26-2017 12:38 AM


Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
I would guess that already I have dropped 8 pounds in the first week...although the first week never should count since it's usually mainly excess water weight!
Yeah, the number isn't all that important. But it is a metric.
I'd be interested in reading about any physical changes you notice, or how differently you're feeling.
Can you test your blood sugar at home? Not that you ought to record it here, but that might be a good metric to keep track of on your own.
Or pants size... I went from a 42" waist to a 32" waist That's the size I wore in high school 20 years ago!
I've been walking each break at work --in order to keep my metabolism higher....
Don't forget to push yourself. You should be gradually increasing your output.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 43 of 128 (816291)
08-02-2017 12:05 PM
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08-02-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Day 16 brings good news
Once your body becomes adept at burning your own fat stores, you will have a constant supply of energy always available and your overall health will vastly improve.
That is consistent with my experience.
And now that I'm about out of fat to burn, I get my energy directly from my food. So now I have to actually try to put weight back on.
Please keep in mind that during the first 2-4 weeks on this program, your body will be in a transition period wherein you will be ‘unlearning’ how to burn sugar and ‘learning’ how to burn fat.
Yeah, that's going from glycosis to ketosis.
Also keep in mind that ketosis has to be maintained and that you can fall back into glycosis as the default. So, if you have a bad timeframe where you end up eating a bunch of sugar, you're going to go back into glycosis and then you're going to have to go back through the "learning process" to get your body back into ketosis. The point being: don't fuck it up by eating sugar.
I weighed in yesterday and was astounded! I weigh 223.7!! Adding in a water weight fluctuation factor of 6 pounds, my official weight is 224-230.
Nice, keep on it.
I weighed 157 this morning. The most I ever saw on a scale was 245, iirc.
The fat burning has not yet kicked in though.I was very tired the whole week.not upon waking, but during the day I felt like a car with the idle set too low...I kept sputtering. This must be the lag.
Maybe do some caffeine?

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Message 45 of 128 (816306)
08-02-2017 3:23 PM
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08-02-2017 2:55 PM


Re: Day 16 brings good news
So you're made of fat, then? Good energy source

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Message 47 of 128 (816693)
08-09-2017 2:35 PM
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08-03-2017 1:21 AM


Re: Day 16 brings good news
How's it going this week?
I've kept on a few pounds and am up to 160 now
I can bench press 150 lbs and can run a mile in 8 minutes - two goals I set for myself that I can say that I have achieved!

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Message 50 of 128 (816752)
08-10-2017 1:44 PM
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08-09-2017 5:03 PM


Re: Day #1 To Be Honest. I have relapsed
Perhaps I am rationalizing my failure, however.
Fuck that. You failed. Shit happens. Get over it.
Look forward. Get back on track. You can do it.

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Message 53 of 128 (817287)
08-16-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
08-13-2017 8:13 AM


Re: Reevaluating my lessons learned over the past year
I make audio diaries...journals if you will.
No shit... I found myself waking up in the middle of the night with all kinds of thoughts that I would want to address the next day, and then later I would find myself forgetting exactly what it was I was thinking the night before.
So, I started taking notes on my phone... Reading my notes from the night before certainly helped a lot. But I got tired of finger-punching all that text in, so one night I just turned on the video camera and talked - uh, to myself...
Watching those videos was crazy - and it taught me a lot about myself and really helped me out.
Getting that feedback from yourself, to yourself, is incredibly important in my experience, and is something that should not be overlooked.
It is no shame to start over at anything. The shame occurs when one simply gives up.
Word. How's it coming along?

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