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JonF
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Message 967 of 1049 (815508)
07-20-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 965 by Faith
07-20-2017 3:02 PM


What about your hate speech? Bet that's OK because they deserve it, amirite?
You are a self-confessed homophobe and Islamophobe, and a few other phobes. You have no idea of the law and you obviously scorn our Constitutional protections.
There is no hate speech law in America. There is libel and slander and incitement to criminal activity. The first two don't apply, because "it's true" is a defense (you've admitted it in writing), and the third does not apply because there just isn't any incitement.
Treason is a word that too many people throw around, sadly including some liberals. Saying something you dislike or disagree with is not treason.
Say, what are you? Wop? Mick? Spic? Chink? Dago? Cracker? Peckerwood? Trailer trash?
Since you are so down on PC, which is largely not using such language, I'm sure none of that offends you. If I haven't named you yet there's plenty more to try.

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JonF
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Message 971 of 1049 (815557)
07-21-2017 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
07-20-2017 6:49 PM


Re: what's really going on
Political correctness - Wikipedia
quote:
The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC or P.C.) is used to describe the avoidance of language or actions that are seen as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups of people who are seen as disadvantaged or discriminated against, especially groups defined by sex or race
Politically correct Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
quote:
conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated
http://www.economist.com/style-guide/political-correctness
quote:
Avoid, if you can, giving gratuitous offence (see Euphemisms): you risk losing your readers, or at least their goodwill, and therefore your arguments. But pandering to every plea for politically correct terminology may make your prose unreadable, and therefore also unread.
So strike a balance. If you judge that a group wishes to be known by a particular term, that the term is widely understood and that using any other would seem odd, old-fashioned or offensive, then use it. Context may be important: Coloured is a common term in South Africa for people of mixed race; it is not considered derogatory. Elsewhere it may be. Remember that both times and terms change: expressions that were in common use a few decades ago are now odious. Nothing is to be gained by casually insulting your readers.
Political correctness - RationalWiki
quote:
The clich term political correctness or "PC" is a snarl word usually referring to upholding a social taboo against language and attitudes that might be considered bigoted. Ruth Perry wrote in an essay entitled A Short History of the Term "Politically Correct"[2] that the term was first coined by Mao Zedong,[3] but was later hijacked by conservative eclectics who proceeded to overuse it in exactly the manner above described, hence taking all the juice out of it.[4] (Defending oneself with it might be the most popular handwave to dismiss social criticism.)
POLITICALLY CORRECT | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
quote:
avoiding language or behavior that any particular group of people might feel is unkind or offensive:
Just a moment...
quote:
If you say that someone is politically correct, you mean that they are extremely careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who have a disadvantage, or who have been treated differently because of their sex, race, or disability.
Politically correct Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary
quote:
If you say that someone is politically correct, you mean that they are extremely careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who have a disadvantage, or who have been treated differently because of their sex, race, or disability.

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JonF
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Message 977 of 1049 (815584)
07-21-2017 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 972 by Faith
07-21-2017 9:24 AM


Re: what's really going on
I never offend in those ways
Oh, right.
The whole thing was innocent, there are no ethical or criminal implications whatever except in the feverish minds of leftists
Were leftists born with some kind of brain damage that prevents them from making meaningful distinctions?
There is no racism in the Trump administration, it's all hallucinated by idiot leftists following the formula of Cultural Marxism.
No, the "politeness" which is really conformist intimidation, only applies to the "oppressed class" as falsely and tendentiously and politically defined by Leftists.
The only violence I ever heard of was against the violent evil Leftists who crashed his rallies.
You are indeed flirting with treason, and so are many Leftists.
But of course Marx hated Christianity and so do most of today's Leftists.
I guess you just can't see how mentally challenged your thinking is. Leftists seem to have difficulty making logical distinctions and reading in context.
Why are Leftists so mentally challenged?
There have been direct calls to murder Trump, nobody interprets namecalling as calls for murder except of course crazy Leftists.
You just have no perspective whatever. But then Leftists don't.
The Left is out of control, there has never been anything before like the Left's attack on President Trump, by the media, by political leaders, by entertainment people, all the Leftists out there.
Leftists however love to moralize and try to skewer people with moralistic accusations, most of them made up out of the Marxist playbook rather than the Bible, but you aren't at all hesitant about accusing people of sins from the Bible either, misapplying them with a heavy hand.
You are a bigot, you are intolerant of decent people obeying God, you put yourself above perfectly decent people, like so many other leftists, call people names who do not deserve it.
There is no civility from Leftists at all.
You spend a lot of time, just as Leftists always do, conjuring up anything you can to accuse conservatives of.
Logically you live in la-la land like most Leftists, and the irrationality and illogic of it all are maybe the hardest part of being attacked by anti-Christian laws.
You are acting just like all Leftists act on this
I don't care what your exact political position is you are thinking like all the Leftists here on PC.
I really don't know if you liberals/leftists are mentally deficient or so locked into your leftist bubble you have had no exposure to things we on the right have known for years, but the point is that Political Correctness was Mao's term for the Party Line that had to be toed by everyone or else.
Leftists really have so little to say of any importance.
Percy says he's not a liberal, just a good judge of craziness, but he sounds exactly like all the Leftists and doesn't care that all the people who voted for Trump disagree vehemently with his assessment.
Why oh why can't leftists think?
Why can't Leftists tell the difference between a socially determined attitude and a natural fact.
There's no way for me to have lost such an argument with an idiot atheist Leftist.
It's the Left that is racist, always making a big deal out of the irrelevance of race. The problem is the murdering thuggery. Why can't leftists THINK?
what Political Correctness really is, as I've carefully defined it over many many threads by now, which only now is being called into question
I doubt it hasn't been challenged before. However, words are for communication, and your personal definition is wrong and inhibits communication.
and have nothing to do with the fact that the Left calls people by all those names that ARE PC, that you called me in that post that started this whole mess.
I called a spade a spade. I was not politically correct. I was accurate and truthful.
The whole point, OBVIOUSLY, is to make it impossible to oppose political positions
You can oppose those positions as much as you want in any legal manner. When you do so with lies and unearned calumny we have the right to call you on it.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 980 of 1049 (815587)
07-21-2017 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 975 by Faith
07-21-2017 11:05 AM


Re: PC definitions continued
No, the term "Islamophobia" is just a way of saying there is no rational objection to Islam,
Yup. And you are an Islamophobe. Thinking you have justification for your hatred is not establishing justification for you hatred. No, you haven't ever tried to justify your hatred, just repeated your claims over and over and over and over again.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 168 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


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Message 982 of 1049 (815590)
07-21-2017 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 979 by Faith
07-21-2017 11:24 AM


Re: what's really going on
Your post proves your definition of PC as rude language is bogus
Explanation why?
And again, since when is "Leftist" a protected victim class that renders objections to it a PC offense?
First time you have brought up protected classes here. You are very confused.
A "protected class" is a term in law denoting a group of people with a common characteristic who are legally protected from discrimination on the basis of that characteristic.
PC is not a term used in law and, as I have proved, is understood by English speakers to mean respect for others.
The two concepts are not connected in any way other than the fact that many protected classes are often subjected to non-PC insults.
"PC offences" are characterized by being antithetical to the definitions I've provided. There's no governing body handing down findings.
Edited by JonF, : First quote edited
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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 983 of 1049 (815592)
07-21-2017 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 981 by Faith
07-21-2017 11:26 AM


Re: PC definitions continued
I got nuthin' so I'll flounce
FIFY.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 168 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


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Message 987 of 1049 (815645)
07-22-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by PaulK
07-22-2017 2:15 AM


Re: PC definitions continued
I must admit that the right has largely succeeded in "corrupting" the language, from PC meaning respect for others to PC meaning something evil and non-PC being an excuse for any hateful speech or action.

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