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NoNukes
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Message 4 of 23 (816244)
08-01-2017 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by kjsimons
08-01-2017 10:48 AM


So does this make us all partially extraterrestrials ?
Under the old understanding, we were already made up from material formed outside of our solar system. That would be sufficient to make us ET's of some sort.
But apparently, we are also extra-galactic beings made up of materials from beyond even the milky-way. I don't find that to be earth shattering although it does seem to be new. What is surprising is that we have some amount of evidence of such a thing.
Let's note that this evidence is from a mathematical simulation rather than from any ability to distinguish an origin for atoms or any collection of atoms. Interesting as something I might put on a t-shirt, but otherwise just something to contemplate for most of us.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
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Message 5 of 23 (816245)
08-01-2017 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Stile
08-01-2017 11:04 AM


2. Don't most atoms and stuff have a half-life in the millions-of-years range?
No. That is not correct. Most stuff that makes up the earth is essentially stable. Materials with shorter half lives are either produced from decay chains from elements with billion year half lives or are the result of induced nuclear reactions.
The influx of new material on earth is close to negligible.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 23 (816353)
08-03-2017 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tanypteryx
08-02-2017 12:43 PM


Re: Why stop there?
Why the one million light year boundary?
Because the majority of the mass of our bodies is from elements heavier than hydrogen, helium, and lithium. For example, pure water is only 11% hydrogen by weight. None of the heavier elements were formed in the big bang. On the other hand oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon are all formed in the cores of stars, but for the most part, those elements are locked up within stars that do not go super kablooey. Only supernovas distribute some of their guts out into the universe at the end of their lives.
For those reasons, it is interesting to talk about where the star dust in our bodies comes from and just how far it may have traveled between the time it was formed and the time it became incorporated into the terrestrial planets forming our particular solar system. You are correct that the hydrogen needs no such explanation, but some of it too is released from the dying stars and supernova.
Edited by NoNukes, : fix miscalculation.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 16 of 23 (816541)
08-06-2017 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
08-05-2017 11:45 PM


Re: Mind Over Matter
A home, for example, is not bricks and mortar. It is the lives and shared experiences of the life within.
So you are so in tune with humanity, and beyond the cares of ordinary mortals, that you don't really find important the house part of a home. You don't really value the shelter from the wind and rain, nor the safety and security of the strong structure. It's all about family and shared experiences for you.
I don't believe even you buy that load.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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