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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Dredge
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Message 1205 of 1311 (816398)
08-04-2017 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1183 by Pressie
08-03-2017 8:07 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Pressie writes:
So, you didn't quote from the original work? All hearsay? You quoted from a book you didn't read yourself? No wonder you're a creationist.
Good point, but I trust the judgement of Phillip Johnson. He's formidably intelligennt and, I believe, very honest.

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Dredge
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Message 1206 of 1311 (816399)
08-04-2017 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1192 by ringo
08-03-2017 11:53 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
qs writes:
Hint: Talking snakes are not literal.
I agree, to a certain extent: As I have already explained in a previous post, it would seem that demons, or Satan, are not capable of "speaking" to humans in an audible voice. However, they can "speak" to the human mind by some mysterious inaudible process and thereby influence their thoughts and actions.
It would also seem that demons cannot appear in their own from or in the form of a human being or any other creature (apparition) - the only way they can manisfest themselves visually is by possessing the body of a human or another creature.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 1207 of 1311 (816400)
08-04-2017 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1194 by ringo
08-03-2017 11:58 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
ringo writes:
Because everything is subject to human error - including and especially your view of the Bible.
God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. An oral method wouldn't work as it would be very prone to mistakes when being passed from one person to the next. Plus there would be no way of checking if the contemporary version of the story is faithful to the original.
The Jews went to extreme lenghts to ensure that each and every word was accurately copied from one Bible copy to the next.
The primary use of intelligence is for correcting errors.
Human intelligence is infallible? I didn't know that!
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Dredge
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Message 1208 of 1311 (816401)
08-04-2017 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1195 by PaulK
08-03-2017 12:43 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
PaulK writes:
And of course you are right to doubt the Exodus. The Book of Exodus was obviously written at a time when the story had become legend - whatever it's origins. Its implausibilities (and I don't mean the miracles!) give more cause to doubt
You were there so you would know.
as dies the fact that archaeology finds no trace of it.
Oh well, that proves it - it didn't happen. For all you know, the evidence could well be there but hasn't been discovered yet.
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Dredge
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Message 1209 of 1311 (816402)
08-04-2017 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1196 by dwise1
08-03-2017 3:53 PM


Oh, thank you for that. Someone told me the division can also be performed on a calculator, whatever that is.

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Dredge
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Message 1210 of 1311 (816403)
08-04-2017 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1198 by New Cat's Eye
08-03-2017 4:22 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
NCE writes:
ringo writes:
Because everything is subject to human error ...
Faith writes:
Except writings inspired by God Himself.
Prove it.
Religion requires faith, not proof. Besides that, it will be proven ... in time. That is to say, when one kicks-the-bucket one comes face to face with the God who wrote the Bible.

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Dredge
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Message 1211 of 1311 (816405)
08-04-2017 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1200 by dwise1
08-03-2017 5:26 PM


Okay, what you seem to be saying is that
99,990,000/10,000 = 9999.
Whaaaaaat? How did you work that out? I think you've just made that up.

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Dredge
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Message 1240 of 1311 (816471)
08-05-2017 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1216 by herebedragons
08-04-2017 8:46 AM


HBD writes:
Do you know what an internet troll is?
An internet troll is someone who posts just to provoke an emotional response from other members. Is that what you are doing?
If so... stop! It's nonsense, unproductive and unbecoming of a professing Christian.
HBD, the party-pooper.

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Dredge
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Message 1279 of 1311 (816542)
08-06-2017 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1215 by herebedragons
08-04-2017 8:41 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
herebedragons writes:
Well then, I suppose you are just as much a "heretic" as you accuse theistic evolutionists as being.
Evolution seriously undermines the authority of Scripture and makes a mockery of the concept of Original Sin. Hence, evolution nullifies man's need for a Redeemer - namely, Christ.
So, in my opinion, any professing Christian who accepts evolution easily qualifies as a heretic.

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Dredge
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Message 1280 of 1311 (816543)
08-06-2017 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1239 by dwise1
08-05-2017 12:58 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
dwise1 writes:
I did study Greek, Koine Greek, the Greek of the New Testament. For two semesters. We used the Bruce Metzger New Testament. For each and every passage in the New Testament, all the various variations from the many source manuscripts were presented. And they showed your traditional interpretations to be a lie.
You're so gullible. I'm sure experts in the Greek Scriptures - from say, the Greek Orthodox Church - would laugh at the error-ridden rubbish you were taught.

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Dredge
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Message 1281 of 1311 (816544)
08-06-2017 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1224 by Coyote
08-04-2017 9:45 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Coyote writes:
Dredge writes:
But using the "starting point" of a young earth is no worse than using evolution as a starting point, which is what most atheists do.
There is evidence for one "starting point" but not for the other. In fact, the evidence flatly contradicts a young earth.
The starting point of evolution is a primordial cell that reproduced ... billions of years ago. What evidence is there evidence for that? I suspect it is merely an assumption.

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Dredge
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Message 1282 of 1311 (816546)
08-06-2017 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1214 by herebedragons
08-04-2017 8:11 AM


Re: Gould's observations do support Creationism
herebedragons writes:
I put "sudden appearance and stasis in the fossil record" in quotation marks because I don't agree that is really a valid description of our overall observation of the fossil record. Nor do I think that observations of "sudden appearance" or "stasis" in the fossil record are all that surprising.
So, what are your qualifications in paleontology and how many years have you spent studying real fossils?

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Dredge
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Message 1283 of 1311 (816548)
08-06-2017 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1189 by dwise1
08-03-2017 10:44 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
dwise1 writes:
Dredge writes:
I got that Raup quote from Darwin on Trial (2nd edition) by Phillip E. Johnson, p.187.
Then why did you try to claim to have worked with the original?
I don't recall "try(ing) to claim to have worked with the original". Refresh my memory.
Read my page, Moon Dust.
I must decline your offer to read your article, Moon Dust, as I fear it will render me totally and permanently insane. As Tangle once pointed out, my mental state is already officially rated as RF ("real fruitcake"), so indulging the material on your website could push me over the edge into a bottomless pit of unspeakable madness and horror.
Do not be fooled.
How do know what's in the fossil record, for example? Do you have a Ph.d. in paleontology and have you spent several decades studying real fossils and the entire fossil record? Probably not, so you accept what a relatively tiny number of experts tell you is there. Have you verified for yourself that their conclusions are correct? I will assume not. You accept what they say, because, like you, paleontologists are Darwinists (I would imagine 99.99999% of them are, anyway), and they tell you want you want to hear.
In other words, you preach to creationists to verify what they are told, but you don't apply the same standard to what Darwinists tell you. Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

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Dredge
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Message 1284 of 1311 (816549)
08-06-2017 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1185 by herebedragons
08-03-2017 8:40 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
herebedragons writes:
Most of the book of Genesis is obviously stories that were passed down orally for generations and generations. They are likely based on real events but then, over time, they developed into what has been recorded in Genesis. Just because they are not historically accurate doesn't mean they are allegory or even that they are false. They are stories that have a lesson, a lesson about God, humans and relationships. Just because the stories are not absolutely, literally, historically true doesn't mean they are absolutely false. That is a false dichotomy (unless the whole of the issue is historical accuracy - then they are either historically true or historically false). But I don't believe that is the central issue, nor what literalists insist on.
You must have read a different book of Genesis to the one I've read. The one I've read is written in a style that makes it obvious that most of it is real, literal history.
How did you come to the conclusion that the contents of Genesis are stories "obviously" passed down orally? How do you know Genesis isn't based on earlier written accounts - ie, pre-Bible? I suspect your reasoning is at least partly based on the evo'myth that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.
Do you really expect to convince people of the truth by forcing them to accept untruth?
How would I go about "forcing" anyone to believe what I believe, exactly?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
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Message 1285 of 1311 (816551)
08-06-2017 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1275 by Adminnemooseus
08-05-2017 5:14 PM


Re: Going into summation mode in 24 hours
Oops. I've just read your post. I take your point.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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