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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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That is indeed logical. IF the writings are inspired by God, IF the people who wrote them down were inspired by God, then they are inerrant and it is not a matter of human opinion.
IF. Got anything other than your opinion to get rid of those IFs? Obviously not.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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A simple if...then really ought not to be such a problem The if...then is not a problem. It's true. The problem is your unsupported leap from if..then to is.
It's not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of opinion, absent any supporting evidence. You claim that Bible is dictated by God and inerrant because the Bible is dictated by God and inerrant. Awfully tight circular reasoning there. And not logical.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The Bible has been believed by millions for the last two millennia, and been the cause of great changes in society, even the foundation of western civilization itself out of barbarian Europe. Somewhat true and irrelevant to the issue on inerrancy. Got any evidence relevant to inerrancy or God's dictaphone? "Lots of people believe it" is not proof. Lots of people are wrong about lots of things.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
But lemme see, how might I try to answer this? According to your reasoning the truth is to be found in the greater numbers of those who disbelieve in the Bible? Is majority opinion really the basis of truth? No. But you seem to think it is:
The Bible has been believed by millions for the last two millennia He was criticizing that claim. So, does it matter how many people believe or disbelieve?
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Which has nothing to do with the question of authorship.
Of course you've admitted it's understandable by far fewer than all. Well under half.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Time may tell.
Today there is no convincing evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And there certainly isn't enough convincing evidence to persuade many more millions. The number of believers doesn't establish truth. As you acknowledged.
On what facts do you base your claim that "religions, by the way, don't have any evidence or require any, unless you happen to get waylaid by one of their demon deities."? Or is another of your fantasies not based on any reality? I can't figure out what you mean by "unless you happen to get waylaid by one of their demon deities". You are obviously acknowledging the existence of other deities.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No, I am explicitly saying that numbers don't determine truth, and you're flip-flopping between "numbers don't determine truth" and "so many people have been convinced it must be true.
I didn't say" authority", I said "authorship", meaning authorship of the Bible. If your sight is so poor you can't tell the difference you should learn a little Christian humility before ranting like that.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I also wasn't addressing authorship. I was. It looks as if you weren't addressing anything, just writing a randomly chosen message with no connection to mine. I wrote:
quote: To which you replied:
quote: To what antecedent does "it" refer? Where did arguing with numbers cvome from? Did you have some reason for replying to my message with a message that has no connection to mine (according to you)? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I'm claiming my interpretation is true. How does that make me "infallible?" Because you refuse to consider the possibility that you might be wrong or engage in any meaningful discussion of why you ink your interpretation is true. You have based your interpretation solely on your reading of the Bible, without considering any facts from the real world or anyone else's interpretation of the Bible. I can't speak for others, but I wrote:
quote: Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The Bible is all about evidence because it's history, Some is history, some isn't.
Other religions just teach you principles, Really,? What research have performed to support this claim? What other religions' holy books have you studied? Zero?
they aren't interested in proving anything about their claims though they may describe all kinds of supernatural phenomena I see. when the Bible describes all sorts of supernatural phenomena, it's strong evidence for the reality and nature of your God. When other religions do the same, it's meaningless.
In my experience you aren't asked to believe them, just practice their principles. Exactly what experience do you have?
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
OK, you'e considered other's interpretations of the Bible. But not reality.
Could your interpretation be wrong?
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
OK, you'e considered other's interpretations of the Bible. But not reality.
Could your interpretation be wrong?
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Personally I see no issue with consulting other sources than our own mind. I recommend it.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The Bible is all about evidence because it's history,
Some is history, some isn't.
Other religions just teach you principles, Really,? What research have performed to support this claim? What other religions' holy books have you studied? Zero?
they aren't interested in proving anything about their claims though they may describe all kinds of supernatural phenomena I see. when the Bible describes all sorts of supernatural phenomena, it's strong evidence for the reality and nature of your God. When other religions do the same, it's meaningless.
In my experience you aren't asked to believe them, just practice their principles. Exactly what experience do you have?
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