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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
Or, to put it another way: If they can warp the Bible to fit their preconceived notions, they can warp anything else too.
That comes right out of their shitty "How to Use the Bible" playbook
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Hint: Talking snakes are not literal. If the first parts of Genesis are allegorical, when does the allegory stop and the literal begin? According to the first part of Genesis, humans acquired the ability to discern good from evil - i.e. the ability to use their brains. Apparently, people who call that a "Fall" think it was a bad thing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Because everything is subject to human error - including and especially your view of the Bible. If it isn't all historically true, inspired by God Himself, then it is corrupted by human error and why should anyone take it seriously? The primary use of intelligence is for correcting errors.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It makes no difference who or what inspired the writings. All writings are subject to the failures of human understanding.
Except writings inspired by God Himself.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Demons and Satan are also not literal. Notice how you have to make up rules like, "They can't speak in an audible voice," which is just as silly as snakes that can speak in an audible voice.
As I have already explained in a previous post, it would seem that demons, or Satan, are not capable of "speaking" to humans in an audible voice.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Written accounts are just as prone to error: copying errors, mistranslation, outright redaction.... the list goes on and on. The difference between oral and written transmission is that the errors in the written version are easier to detect. We ca see what King James' translators did to their "originals" but we have no recordings of Moses telling bedtime stories to his grandchildren. If you want to claim that one method is better than the other you should choose oral because the evidence of the changes has been lost.
God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. An oral method wouldn't work as it would be very prone to mistakes when being passed from one person to the next. Dredge writes:
But the Christians didn't. They had a lot of axes to grind.
The Jews went to extreme lenghts to ensure that each and every word was accurately copied from one Bible copy to the next. Dredge writes:
I didn't say that. I said it's correctable, even self-correcting, if you like. Intelligence is the ability to learn, to recognize mistakes and not make the same mistakes over and over again. Human intelligence is infallible? It's the opposite of literalism. Intelligence recognizes that there are errors in the Bible. Literalists try to twist reality to fit the errors.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Your fallible human mind is fooling you into thinking that.
Except those inspired by God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The problem is that the ones who are off the rails think they're the remnant.
In the OT God says He always has a "remnant" who remain true even when the majority have gone off the rails.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
faith writes:
So the Bible says:
So you say.quote:More study, less mouth, and you might have a clue.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Your own posts accuse you. You claim infallibility in interpreting the Bible. You're idolizing yourself.
Putting good for evil and evil for good as you are doing is a very dangerous thing to do, are you unable to make a case without the personal accusation?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
No I do not. I acknowledge that my view depends on evidence. You, on the other hand, claim to have special importation from God to recognize what is absolutely true.
Everybody claims their view is the true one. So do you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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The key phrase is "makes sense". Sure, you can fiddle around in biology and do things by trial and error without it "making sense". But you can't make useful predictions about likely outcomes unless it "makes sense" in some way.
Creationism falls back on a gigantic question mark in the sky which doesn't explain anything. If it hasn't already told you the answer, you have no way of predicting what it might be. You have nothing but trial and error to work with. Evolution is the only explanation of biology that "makes sense".
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