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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no right of "peaceful assembly" when a group advocates violence of any sort. The white supremacists with their threatening of violence to Jews among others, should be banned from public demonstrations. I don't understand why such a group would be allowed a public forum at all as they were in Charlottesville.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know how the law is worded with respect to violent speech but I thought that free speech is limited by the rule that "you can't falsely yell 'fire' in a crowded theater." Threatening to kill Jews as one of the crowd did in an interview I heard in my opinion ought not to be allowed.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
True, but it sounded rather like a platform statement that could possibly be found in official statements of their organization. He listed three objectives he imputed to the gathering as a whole, something about protesting the Leftist attack on white culture and something else I don't remember and the third was "killing Jews." If his statements do represent the published objectives of the organization, my question is whether an organization that threatens violence to the Jews, or to anybody, has the rights granted by the Bill of Rights.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The question I'm asking is whether an organization with stated objectives of violence toward anyone would legally be granted a right to protest or demonstrate in public. Those gatherings normally require legal permission, don't they? So what is the law regarding the right to assemble for such an organization? I'm not asking about the legal rights of individuals.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is a complicated situation in some ways. I'm with the group protesting the removal of historical monuments, I'm against the Leftist position on that, and also am aware that it's been Leftist protests that have turned violent in the last few months, and that there are Leftists who openly advocate such violence too. I'm against their right to demonstrate as well. This just raises a lot of questions for me about the right to public assembly, protest, demonstrate and so on, by any group that advocates any kind of violence against anybody. For me the advocacy of killing Jews should take away the rights of the protesting group to any kind of public display or forum, but my opinion may not be shared by the law; the point is I don't know.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As usual I find a strange lack of simple intelligence in some posts by some leftists. My post ought to have been clear enough to any fair thinking person: I am with the protest against removing historical monuments, not with the group currently protesting it. Really, that's quite clear in what I said. And I'm against ADVOCACY OF VIOLENCE on either side, and in the case of the Left we're talking actual violence, not advocacy. Excuse me, I should add the car attack of course, I was only thinking of the protest itself. Of course I'm against actual violence on either side; my question has to do with organizations whose platform includes advocacy of violence. I really would deny them the right to any sort of public demonstration myself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't think general advocacy of the kind you mention is the problem. I'm thinking of characterizing the goals of an organization as "killing Jews" in so many words. See what cites you can find that address that situation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Would someone please address the situation I'm talking about. I'm not talking about general statements, wishes that some groups be dead, insults etc., I'm wondering about the legal status of an organization that has as its stated platform a statement like:
We advocate the killing of Jews. orOur platform is to defend white culture and kill Jews.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've offered no evidence whatever.
I still hope someone will come along who knows something.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was asking a hypothetical question.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a better policy to follow the discussion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are many strongly Leftist Jews. There are also many strongly Rightist Jews. ABE: David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin come to mind and at least Horowitz and Savage appear on Alex Jones' show from time to time.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Alex Jones is not anti-Semitic. There are known Jewish leftist conspiracies, they ARE Jewish and they ARE leftist. He says he saw the KKK without their hoods and they "looked" Jewish. Well some Jews do look Jewish, that's not anti-Semitism, it's fact. Some Jews DON'T look Jewish. He said these looked Jewish. Not having seen them I don't know what I would think but I don't see any reason to assume he made it up. He's condemned anti-semjitism, he's condemned the KKK. People have trouble with Jones because he's consistent and he will call a Jewish conspiracy a Jewish conspiracy while being very supportive of Jewish conservatives. When I saw the protestor saying he wants to kill Jews I knew the guy would be happy to kill all the conservative Jews too and all my politically confused Jewish relatives too, and THAT scares me. But identifying a Jewish leftist conspiracy, though it's going to get you falsely branded by the Left as a racist anti-Semite hater pig, is just being precise.
He's also condemned the KKK. So identifying a KKK appearance as a fake put on by a Jewish leftist conspiracy has nothing to do with supporting the KKK. He's objecting to any implication that all white people are racists, symbolized by the KKK and he sees that as the message the Leftist Jewish conspiracy is trying to get across. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Infowars+KKK...
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I agree he's "targeting" meaning identifying Jews - a particular group of Jews, Leftist activist Jews who do have an agenda that comes out of their early Communist identity, then their identity in the 60s Frankfurt School/Cultural Marxism which has wreaked so much havoc since the 60s and fueled a lot of the hatred on the Left against America and against white people. You may ask why it's a particularly Jewish conspiracy, but the only answer is that it simply is. They somehow see it as their mission to bring down the West. That was Marx's mission, and in his own different way, Freud's as well.
David Horowitz used to be one of them. Fortunately we now have a lot of conservative Jews fighting against them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can tell the difference between a nutty statement and a sensible statement even by the same person. I don't tar a person for his errors if he also says a lot of intelligent thngs. I don't recall anything he said about chimeras. I only listen to him once in a while and probably miss a lot of his stuff.
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