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Message 1 of 128 (815225)
07-17-2017 4:14 PM


This is my new topic dealing with my diabetes and my sloppy eating habits---my NEW plan for 2017-2018. As many of you may know, I tackled my gambling addiction and made it officially One Year as of today! (July 17th,
2017.) Addiction By Definition. I am grateful to all of EvC Forum for your kind words and support this past year as I finally conquered a pesky addiction that I had for many years.
My personal label for my last effort was called Sober 4 Life and I am happy to say that it was a success...though never finished, by any means.
Now I move on to this topic. It has several distinctions from my last effort.
  • It is not strictly an addiction, but rather a lifestyle change. We have discussed this at length in Percys topic, Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes
    The science of dieting was discussed. I have done quite a bit of research into this science for my own particular dietary need and have settled upon The Rosedale Diet and Health Plan as my primary choice in which to follow...though I will also be exploring variations that are not quite as strict. Basically, I have concluded that this particular type of diet will be the most effective at battling my Type II Diabetes and in preparing my 57-year-old body to live another 20-30 years.
    In this topic I wish to discuss my personal journey as it unfolds (Yes I am a bit of a narcissist) as well as continue to discuss the science of dieting as seen by all of you...continuing the Gary Taubes discussions.
    Anyway...today is officially Day # 1.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 7 of 128 (815309)
    07-18-2017 7:41 PM
    Reply to: Message 6 by caffeine
    07-18-2017 4:08 PM


    DAY 2: Relapse already!
    I found myself craving sugar insanely and gave in. The last starchy items are being consumed from my fridge, and so my home food is being replaced. The kicker, however, is that while at the store buying a stash of nuts and salads, I actually allowed myself to buy some candy! This early battle is physical and psychological. Physically I crave starches and sugars. Psychologically I find myself saying that this diet is gonna be boring and that I will get sick of this stuff! Officially, Day 1 was a failure but if I can rebound out of this rebellion within the week I'll keep my start date.
    Rosedale Health Plan writes:
    When we talk about what to eat, we must first realize who, or rather what is eating. In fact, we, ourselves, are not really doing the eating. It is our cells that eat. When we put food in our mouth, that is just a continuation of the transport of food from the farms to the grocery store then into our mouth; the food is then transported to our cells by our bloodstream. It is our cells that really do the eating and that need the fuel and the parts to regenerate themselves. And cells can only eat two kinds of food for fuel. They can eat sugar or they can eat fat, and their health and your health will be determined by the primary fuel that they burn.
    I see that you guys (Cat Sci and RAZD) agree with this basic diet and have had success and gained wisdom on your own. Just like I did with Dr.Carnes and addiction research, I read up on this diet and my logical brain affirms its science. It's my emotional rebellion that is attempting to sabotage this effort right now.
    CatSci writes:
    What worked for me was avoidance and major routine change.
    I got rid of the "bad" food in my house and replaced it with only "good" food.
    Then I changed my daily routine to include only eating good food.
    It sucked for a little bit, but once it became routine it was pretty easy to maintain.
    Then, once you start getting a return in the form of feeling a lot better, you'll have a great positive reason to keep doing it (as opposed to doing it to avoid a negative reason).
    Once I got to that point, I never looked back.
    Then it goes from a change in routine to a change in lifestyle. Once your lifestyle changes, it's harder to change back and easier to keep on it.
    I agree logically, but will for the sake of this thread document my rebellious voice. My inner resistance makes no sense logically, but among other things, I fear trying to do my best and not succeeding 100% because of my years eating badly, my progression of diabetic neuropathy and my likelihood of getting foot ulcers. In other words, I feel as if I have already failed and would prefer someone or something to fix me or bail me out of this mess. I fear that I will get in touch with repressed depression and feel that I've failed at life...silly, I know. As of right now I am looking at the first 3 weeks as the do or die moment. If I can get 21 strong days in and follow the guidelines, I may feel inspired if my energy goes up.
    caffeine writes:
    But if I understand correctly, the working hypothesis is not simply that the lifestyle required is unsustainable, but rather that crash-dieting causes physiological changes in how you process food. The idea is that this is an inbuilt response to famine conditions, and when food is available you will convert more into fat supplies than usual as a buffer against the next famine.
    That science is correct. The metabolic rate will drop. In my case, however, I lived a sedentary lifestyle to the extreme anyway. Last summer as I began my gambling sobriety, I was walking nearly every day--but my diet remained roughly the same. This year, I rarely exercise, sleep ten hours a day, and do nothing more than work and get on the computer. In fact, I had a one year membership to a health club that largely went unused. Thus...this battle is psychological as well as physical. Stay tuned....

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 8 of 128 (815310)
    07-18-2017 7:52 PM


    Science & Emotions
    NewCatsEye writes:
    I would certainly never say don't increase your exercise, but you can, in fact, just starve yourself to weight-loss. It's not healthy, but it'll happen.
    Rosedale agrees with you. The change from carbs to fats must be allowed to happen, however. Doing it halfway will not work for this diet.
    I think I'm gonna start getting more real butter in my life. I'm looking for another source of fat to burn for energy so I can use all this protein for muscle growth.
    You sound as optimistic as I used to be in my younger days. I was a serious bicycle rider (25 miles a day average for one year) at age 32, and yet I ate like a fatted calf! (Mainly carbs) whereas now I am getting weak at age 57 and am mildly depressed....sobriety success from gambling notwithstanding.
    I have known of this diet for 15 years and have tried it twice before semi seriously...I managed roughly 3 months each time, I believe. This time, I believe that failure is not an option. I need to change my lifestyle. I really hope this depression lifts after a month or so....pray for me.
    A couple of pro-tips:
    1. it is okay if you feel hungry
    2. not every meal has to be delicious
    3. learn to eat to sustain yourself in lieu of eating for pleasure
    4. Take only small portions and wait for what you ate to settle before you go grab more - you'll find that you don't really need more if you wait a bit
    I know intuitively that your advice is sound. Documenting my progress(or relapse) here at EvC helps me to stay accountable. I appreciate everyone putting up with my narcissistic diaries. Lets make this program work as well as the last one did!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 16 of 128 (815440)
    07-20-2017 8:57 AM
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    07-20-2017 8:39 AM


    Re: Science & Emotions
    Even elite long distance runners have some body fat.
    quote:
    According to Asker Jeukendrup, M.D. and Michael Gleeson, M.D. in their book "Sports Nutrition," male marathon runners should range from 5 to 11 percent body fat and women 10 to 15 percent body fat.
    I doubt yours is below 15%. (Having never seen you )
    This is Day3 and I am back on pace. I have been buying a wide variety of foods that fit the diet plan and have a selection of stuff to eat. My biggest problem so far is excess protein...it turns to sugar if you eat too much. I already have more energy, however. Stay tuned...

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 18 of 128 (815691)
    07-23-2017 8:02 AM
    Reply to: Message 17 by New Cat's Eye
    07-20-2017 10:07 AM


    Day 6-Gathering Information
    Cat Sci writes:
    Talk to your doctor, don't take advice on that from the internet.
    The sad thing is that I have! They really don't have the answer.
    Today is Sunday, July 23, 2017 and it's now Day 6 of my Healthy 4 Life rational recovery from a lifetime of improper eating and my misplaced trust in the "Best" Endocrinologists in Denver.
    As usual, I have become a voracious reader and student regarding the diet route that I have chosen, and most of my research seems to bode favorably on the high Fat, moderate Protein, and Lo Glycemic Carbohydrate approach that I have chosen as my lifestyle. I have found some noteworthy researchers who have written a lot about this dietary approach besides Dr.Ron Rosedale. I will list a few interesting videos from some of these people...watch and judge for yourselves if you share my interest or are simply curious. Watch the first few minutes of this lecture by Dr.Rosedale. He is scientific enough to keep some of you entertained. No quack, this man.
    "The Intimate Connection Between Cancer, Aging, Protein, and TOR" Ron Rosedale, MD
    Another one whom I have found via the magic of google and the internet is Dr. Jason Fung.
    quote:
    Dr. Jason Fung completed medical school and internal medicine at the University of Toronto before finishing his nephrology fellowship at the University of California, Los Angeles at the Cedars-Sinai hospital.
    Yes, he also has written a book but like Dr.Rosedale he is a practicing Doctor and most definitely has the science to back up his claims. More on these guys later. I am in the process of digesting all of the information that I can get my hands on.
    Of course, as my own guinea pig, I will test these diets and theories on myself during the upcoming year. I can safely say this much: My Endocrinologists are rated as among the top ones in Denver, Colorado. I have talked with them quite a bit about Type II Diabetes and about the current theory on how to treat it. In summation, quite simply they are wrong. The science behind all of this is fascinating yet sobering. The best Doctors in our modern medical establishment can't or won't allow themselves to embrace the new information. Perhaps it is because it would put them out of business! Read this by Dr.Fung:
    Medications that actually work for type 2 diabetes — T2D 40
    Stay tuned! According to the general theory, it will take roughly 21-30 days for my body to switch from being a sugar burning mechanism to a fat burning mechanism. Today is #6. Somewhere between August 7th and August 16th I will have achieved my first goal.
    After that, I will begin incorporating exercise into the routine on a routine basis---if for nothing more than to keep my metabolism revved up. My main target is subcutaneous visceral fat that is around my internal organs.
    Edited by Phat, : broken quote

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 23 of 128 (815705)
    07-23-2017 11:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 19 by RAZD
    07-23-2017 8:34 AM


    Re: Day 6-South Beach vs Rosedale
    quote:
    The South Beach Diet plan is divided into four phases. Phase 1 is meant to introduce the dieter to the South Beach way of eating. It is designed to stabilize blood sugar and help the control cravings in the earliest stage of weight loss. The Phase 1 stage of the diet lasts for two weeks before starting the next phase.(...)Foods on the South Beach Diet Phase 1 list include lean proteins, vegetables, nuts and seeds, dairy, and beans and legumes. Phase 1 also allows for items intended to enhance the flavor of foods, such as fats, oils, seasonings, and condiments. Finally, Phase 1 allows the South Beach dieter to occasionally indulge in sweets, such as jams, jellies, and syrups.
    Rosedale differs in that Rosedale wont allow any sweets for any reason.
    Rosedale is made up of two phases. In the second phase, one can eat similar to how the first phase of the South Beach diet is. South Beach has three less restrictive phases, the 3rd phase being nothing more than common sense. In a way, the South Beach is less militant than the extreme ketogenic lifestyle at the other end of the spectrum.
    I can see the wisdom in moderation, yet I also can see the practical effects of extreme carb deprivation--particularly in regards to Type-II Diabetes.
    As I begin to observe the effects on my own body I will choose which path to take as a permanent lifestyle change.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 24 of 128 (815706)
    07-23-2017 11:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
    07-23-2017 9:54 AM


    Extreme Dieting vs Lifestyle
    Faith writes:
    I can't keep up my motivation on lettuce wraps. I just can't. I love sourdough bread too much. And it's very hard to have a hamburger on a lettuce wrap. Tuna or egg salad OK, or a taco salad kind of sandwich, but I have a thing for hamburgers on sourdough these days. the only way I'm going to be able to change this stuff is to COMPLETELY change things.
    First off, IIRC sourdough bread metabolizes differently and thus may be ok in moderation. Let me do a bit of googling--->
    Chasing the Perfect Bread for a Diabetic Diet
    Note:
    quote:
    A surprising fact I stumbled across when researching the best bread for a diabetic diet was the benefits of sourdough. During the fermentation of this type of bread, acetic acid is produced. Most of us with diabetes know the benefits of acetic acid, the main ingredient in vinegar, for lowering blood sugar.
    This is the reason pumpernickel bread is one of the better choices for a diabetes diet. Genuine pumpernickel uses a sourdough starter. Of course, this means you must read labels. The best place to find real sourdough pumpernickel is among the artisan breads at the grocery store, not in the bread aisle.
    I think you should up your nuts and good fats....increasing so as to fully become a fat burner. You can keep the bread in moderation, but I recommend sprouted grain bread as well as sourdough. The key is the good fats.
    Disclaimer: I don't know your specific health concerns, so would recommend you seeking wisdom from reliable sources as to your best strategy.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 30 of 128 (815728)
    07-23-2017 4:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 29 by RAZD
    07-23-2017 3:46 PM


    Re: Day 6-Starting to sense change
    I have been sleeping a lot, still. I do sense that my lethargy is decreasing, although I still am weak...(or maybe just old!) but I attribute the lethargy to high insulin/high sugar in tandem. My A1C was 8.4 last visit, so imagine how surprised the Endocrinologist will be once I shed all (or most) of these expensive medications which caused as many problems as they solved.
    Rosedale health Plan writes:
    AVOID SUGAR AND STARCH
    To jump start the fat burning process, during the first 3 weeks on the meal plan, eat as little non-fiber starch or sugar as possible. You don’t have to count carb grams; just don’t eat non-fiber carbs. Avoid all starches such as potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, cereal, corn and ALL GRAINS (yes, even whole grains.) Fill up with your plate with vegetables, with the exception of those high in sugar including beets, yams, carrots or tomatoes (though a few sliced carrots or cherry tomatoes in salads is okay). Vegetables are not mandatory, but they add a little nutrient value, most contain only a little sugar, and they add a greater selection to your diet. Limit your fruit intake. Contrary to popular opinion, it is best not to have any if you can, as the detriment of the sugar (especially fructose) will outweigh the possible benefit of the micronutrients they contain. A few berries, preferably blueberries would be fine. (Diabetics should avoid starch and sugar nearly all of the time.) After the first 3 weeks, and do not have known disease, you can add a bit more starch to your diet (such as a couple of slices of high fiber, low carb bread), as long as this does not increase your cravings for more. Again this is not necessary but only if you feel the need, there is no nutrient necessity.
    EAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PROTEIN FOR YOU
    Remember, this is a high-fat diet, not a high protein diet. You should eat the right amount of protein for your body type.
    DON’T BE AFRAID OF FAT--BUT EAT GOOD FAT
    This is a high-fat diet, so if you are hungry, you may eat fat! But stick to the good fats found in nuts, avocados, fatty fish, olives, etc.
    My challenge over the next 3 weeks is to turn on the fat burning in my body.
    I sense that change is very possible, but I worry about what permanent damage diabetes has caused.
    jar is right. I still prefer fantasy over reality. I don't do reality very well.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 36 of 128 (815878)
    07-26-2017 12:38 AM


    Weigh-In Day 8.
    I weighed in at 229.7 tonite. Call it 230-235. That's my official starting weight.
    I've been walking each break at work --in order to keep my metabolism higher....and I would guess that already I have dropped 8 pounds in the first week...although the first week never should count since it's usually mainly excess water weight!
    Again, this project is not focused on the weight loss so much as blood sugar and overall body health. I will be out of town all of the second week...the 28th-August 3rd. Based on my calculations, I should hit prime fat burning mode by mid August. Stay tuned!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 40 of 128 (815937)
    07-26-2017 3:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 39 by RAZD
    07-26-2017 10:18 AM


    Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
    RAZD writes:
    Weight can go up as you build muscles because they are more dense than fat. This is why concentrating on weight loss can be frustrating ... you can even gain weight while losing fat, and that's a good thing.
    This is very true. The last time I went on this diet, several years ago, I began working out right away. The first month I GAINED 10 lb! I felt much stronger and better, though! This time, armed with the knowledge and experience I have from my gambling sobriety, I am eager to change my lifestyle for good.
    Yesterday I took my diabetes drug (once weekly as usual) Trulicity and I felt horrible! I'm not taking that drug anymore. As long as I stay on this diet, the blood sugars will be controlled.
    Negative Reports About Trulicity
    Can you park a block away from work to add walking time? You can progressively increase this distance with little effort.
    Already I can tell you that getting exercise will be no problem...in fact a joy for me.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 41 of 128 (816282)
    08-02-2017 10:33 AM


    Day 16 brings good news
    I just got back into town from a week at a funeral/celebration in Missouri. During the entire trip, I was strictly on the low carb regiman, even though my energy flagged quite often. The experts say this will happen.
    experts writes:
    Please keep in mind that during the first 2-4 weeks on this program, your body will be in a transition period wherein you will be ‘unlearning’ how to burn sugar and ‘learning’ how to burn fat. During this time, you may feel a slight drop in energy level and a general ‘slowness’. Please do not be discouraged, as this is only temporary. Once your body becomes adept at burning your own fat stores, you will have a constant supply of energy always available and your overall health will vastly improve. The transition period may vary in length between individuals, but EVERYONE gets better, no exceptions.
    There are 3 main rules
    1. AVOID SUGARS AND STARCHES. The fewer the better; choose your health.
    2. Eat the appropriate amount of protein for a person’s size. (lean mass). Guideline
    example, most people will require 40-60 grams a day depending on their size.
    Estimated desired weight in kilograms. 1 gram of protein per kilogram of desired
    weight per day divided up in 3 servings per day. Give or take about 5 grams a
    day.
    3. If you limit omega 6 fatty acids found in corn oil, peanut oil, soy bean oil, sesame
    oil, sunflower oil, and follow the guidelines then most foods can be eaten as
    desired.
    We see a number of athletes with extremely high energy demands and, while skeptical at first, they all end up saying the same thing. Not only is a diet like this healthier overall for a person's life, but athletic performance is greatly improved when a person burns fat and becomes sensitive to insulin and leptin. The body can make enough sugar naturally to fulfill the basic needs of even the most devout athlete. When it runs on primarily fat, there is no need to re-fuel or load up on sugar before the event. You hear about athletes "hitting the wall", that happens when they run out of sugar and lack the ability to efficiently burn fat. On a program like this, that doesn't happen. They can preform at a higher level for a much longer period of time. Of course there will be a learning curve. For the first two to four weeks, they may suffer a bit of a lag, but once that fat-burning kicks in, the results are incredible.
    I weighed in yesterday and was astounded! I weigh 223.7!! Adding in a water weight fluctuation factor of 6 pounds, my official weight is 224-230.
    The fat burning has not yet kicked in though.I was very tired the whole week.not upon waking, but during the day I felt like a car with the idle set too low...I kept sputtering. This must be the lag.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 46 of 128 (816334)
    08-03-2017 1:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 43 by New Cat's Eye
    08-02-2017 12:05 PM


    Re: Day 16 brings good news
    NCE writes:
    Also keep in mind that ketosis has to be maintained and that you can fall back into glycosis as the default. So, if you have a bad timeframe where you end up eating a bunch of sugar, you're going to go back into glycosis and then you're going to have to go back through the "learning process" to get your body back into ketosis.
    Although a lapse of a day or two wont mean that you need 21 more days to get back to ketosis. A lapse would mean a couple of days before the ketosis kicked back in.(After the enzymes have been built in the first 3-4 weeks, that is.)
    Phat writes:
    I weighed in yesterday and was astounded! I weigh 223.7!! Adding in a water weight fluctuation factor of 6 pounds, my official weight is 224-230.
    NCE writes:
    Nice, keep on it.
    I weighed 157 this morning. The most I ever saw on a scale was 245, iirc.
    The most I have weighed is 290. The average for the past 5 years has been around 235-240. I am making great gains! I have not weighed 224 since shortly after High School, 40 years ago.
    NCE writes:
    Maybe do some caffeine?
    I did! Caffeine is not an instant fix for my disease and body type. It will work eventually, but not nearly as readily as it does for you.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 48 of 128 (816707)
    08-09-2017 5:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 47 by New Cat's Eye
    08-09-2017 2:35 PM


    Day #1 To Be Honest. I have relapsed
    After a long vacation in which I was strictly on my low carb regimen for two weeks, and after another week before that, I stumbled shortly after day 22. For some reason, I just went nuts and allowed myself to eat the worst doses of sugar laden foods for not just one day but two. I had already told myself that I would allow a lapse (1 day) without starting over, but when I faltered two days I had to fess up.
    Today I am back on the regimen, a bit disillusioned but still determined to follow this healthy living goal to its fruition.
    In The Stages Of Change Model, Relapse is actually predicted to be a hopefully brief yet anticipated result of action/maintenance.
    Perhaps I am rationalizing my failure, however. My challenge is how to hop back on this horse without sliding back to contemplation. I really want to change for good, but some of those old comfort foods are as powerful of an allure as any drug. My relapse was brief, however. Today again marks day#1 and hopefully continued progress. (Todays estimated weight--after the relapse---is 228)

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 51 of 128 (816902)
    08-13-2017 8:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 50 by New Cat's Eye
    08-10-2017 1:44 PM


    Reevaluating my lessons learned over the past year
    I make audio diaries...journals if you will. After this last cycle of relapse, I found that my discipline was falling apart. Moreover, I had a callous and uncaring attitude....one in which I was unaware of consciously, though when Faith brought hers up, I saw myself in her. You may think it is easy to simply jump back on the proverbial horse, though the reasons for being on the horse in the first place are far deeper than simply so I can bench press 180 and look good on the beach!
    One must evaluate their purpose in life, and consciously decide how they wish to approach not only each day...but each minute of each day. When my focus was on sobriety in way of numbers, I dutifully remained sober each day. How I did so was not so clear to me---I just did it. Upon reviewing my old diaries, however, I discovered that my faith and my grasp of reality were very influential in my progress.
    It is no shame to start over at anything. The shame occurs when one simply gives up.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 56 of 128 (817328)
    08-16-2017 4:24 PM
    Reply to: Message 53 by New Cat's Eye
    08-16-2017 12:11 PM


    Day # 4. (Day One was August 13th)
    Word. How's it coming along?
    Im back on the horse and am feeling shaky but determined.
    We can now test whether it will take 21 days (again) to build the fat burning enzymes or whether enough were built the first time ending a week ago.
    Perhaps I am being a bit obsessive over strict adherence to this lifestyle change, but journaling days of success seems to work for me...at least it did on the gambling.
    Also, I took the plunge financially and bought a 2-year health club membership as of today. Soon I will include that data in my reports.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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