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Joe T
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Message 107 of 195 (817425)
08-17-2017 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
08-17-2017 11:28 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party. The Leftists did have permits but not permits for that same park.
If that is what he is saying, then Horowitz could not be more wrong. I live about 1.5 hrs away and have friends and cousins who live in Charlottesville. On Friday night about 250 torch bearing Klansmen/Nazis/Supremacists marched through the University of Virginia (UVA) without a permit. About 60 college students (not Antifa or BLM - college students) came out and gathered around the statue of Thomas Jefferson. The 250 surrounded the college students, verbally and at times physically assaulting them. The next day the Nazis voided their permit for their Saturday assembly by reneging on the agreements they had made with the police on when, how and where they would enter the park. The Nazis chose to enter the park such that they would guarantee a confrontation with the counter protesters (who included clergy from many local churches). It was after the Nazis went back on their word to the police that the Charlottesville PD declared this an unlawful assembly.
This is not secret knowledge. This is stuff that anybody who followed the events should know. That Horowitz ignored actual events to paint the counter protesters as the instigators is amazing to me. He either is spouting off about something without knowing anything about it or is engaging is some form of propaganda.

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Joe T
Member (Idle past 2169 days)
Posts: 41
From: Virginia
Joined: 01-10-2002


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Message 119 of 195 (817462)
08-17-2017 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
08-17-2017 1:21 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
I got my facts from local news, eyewitness accounts, statements from the Charlottesville PD and many online sources. Here is a timeline from Breitbart on the activities. It is fairly slanted to the right and leaves a few things out such as the Nazis coming in the wrong way to the park, but is largely in accordance with timelines from other sources such as the Washington Post.
From the timeline:
August 11, 2017 About 8:00 PM
Several hundred white supremacists took to University Grounds Friday evening for a torchlit march that was met by counter-protesters and several tense exchanges on the steps of the Rotunda,
The counter protesters in the timeline are the 60 or so students I mentioned in my earlier post. This was not an organized counter protest, but a bunch of kids in their dorms who saw these thugs marching and chanting through their campus. This was Friday night before the protest for which they had a permit.
Also from the Brietbart timeline:
There was nothing haphazard about the violence that erupted today in this bucolic town in Virginia’s heartland. At about 10 a.m. today, at one of countless such confrontations, an angry mob of white supremacists formed a battle line across from a group of counter-protesters, many of them older and gray-haired, who had gathered near a church parking lot. On command from their leader, the young men charged and pummeled their ideological foes with abandon. One woman was hurled to the pavement, and the blood from her bruised head was instantly visible
You seem to have it in your mind that there were large groups of black hooded Antifa warriors there and that is just not the case. There were some of those jokers, and I wish that they had stayed home as they did not help matters, but the vast majority of the counter protesters were local citizens, students and good people who object to swastikas being paraded in their town. And I'm not sure why you keep brining BLM up in this context as they weren't there as far as I know.

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Joe T
Member (Idle past 2169 days)
Posts: 41
From: Virginia
Joined: 01-10-2002


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Message 122 of 195 (817466)
08-17-2017 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
08-17-2017 3:25 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
OK I read Horowitz's column. I was not impressed. Tell me how chanting, "Jews will not replace us" has anything to do with a civil war statue. Tell me how screaming, "you sound like a nigger" at the counter protesters has anything to do with the statue. The statue was a convenient excuse. The people Friday night were the same as the ones that came Saturday except on Saturday the ones with guns showed up.
Also I find it quite dishonest that he prints a picture that isn't even from Charlottesville at the head of the article. What he showed there did not happen in Charlottesville. Also BLM was not a presence there. Also, as Brietbart noted in their timeline, the Nazis started the major violence by charging a line of unarmed citizens in a church parking lot.
He has an agenda and honestly assessing the events from Charlottesville isn't part of it.

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