Free will vs Omniscience

Even defining the two me's out of existence, it is still like there are two me's.You've got two instances of the universe running, the creation of it where all decisions are made, and then the "playback" where I go through and have the experiences of the decision.That's like two me's. That also sounds like two me's...Even though there's just one me, since I have no memory or experience of all of the decision I've already made, then in the experiencing part of the scenario I am that dumb and blind rock that is rolling down the hill with no control over what I'm going to do.I may have used to have free will at the creation of the universe, but I don't anymore. I have no choice in the decisions that I have already made. The future is set in stone and there's nothing I can do about it this time around. I was trying to set up a situation where the reading of the future takes place and then I have the experience that would cause me to change my decision.If I don't have the experiences until the "playback", then how do I change my mind beforehand, and what does that mean for the foreknowledge that occurred already? It doesn't really make sense to say that I felt the flame at creation, but then I don't experience it until billions of years later.And if there's no connection between my "experience" at creation and the experiences I'm having here in the present, then how does any of that stuff that I did at creation pertain to me? I'm the one sitting here in the present experiencing stuff, and it doesn't have anything at all to do with the me that was at the creation of the universe making decisions. As far as I know, it literally never happened.So even if you define it as the same me, there are two instances here and the one that I, myself sitting right here, experience is the one where I don't actually get to decide what happens. I've already decided it and I cannot change it. That's not free will, that's an illusion of free will.You've only defined it into being free will by declaring that it was me who has already made the decision. I'll grant you that it isn't impossible, but you're really brutalizing what it means to be a person with free will. There's still the issue of god seeing a whole bunch of bad stuff get created, and then going ahead and letting us go through experienceing it anyways.

I know, so when the will changes doesn't the foreknowledge change with it? Because the future isn't fixed until we fix it with our choice. So as we're going through our choices, the future is a bubbling mess that is getting fixed into place. Because they aren't fixed until we choose. So the future isn't immutable, its constantly depending on what choices we are making, i.e. what our will causes the foreknowledge to be. That requires the future to be immutable, if it is all one big now then nothing changes.

I'm not using shenanigans or anything... and this isn't a problem with my comfort level...It's still possible that you are just not making any sense Well it seems to me like you're changing it.Creation of the universe and then our experiencing it...
Recordings and playbacks...
but now it's all at once I'm not so sure that it is. I'm out of time for a bit, I'll revisit this later.

I know, but those things are not just one thing and yet you say there isn't another time around. A recording and a playback are two events.First time around you record it, second time around you play it back.That's where the "two me's" came from, the me that was there during the recording, and then the me that goes back through and experiences it all.But you say that's all one thing, so the record-and-playback analogy isn't really working for me.Nor does X then Y... that's two things not just one thing.

Not necessarily. I would say that if the decision isn't driven by the experience, then its not really free will. And if you putting the experience after the decision, then that doesn't really work for the concept. You can get around that by including the experience at the time of the decision, and then have another experience that doesn't "remember" the first one, or something... although, that's getting into a second time around again and I'm not sure if you're still going with that or not.Anyways, if I made the decision at some time before I get around to having the experience (or I just don't remember it), then that's not really me (the guys sitting here having the experience) that is making the decision. It is only "me", because you have decided to define it that way.That's what I mean by brutalizing what it means to be a person who has free will.That usually means that the guy having the experience gets to make the decision.Of course you'll say that it is me who made the decision, by definition, but that's not really me in any meaningful sense of the word. Especially in the context of whether or not I have free will.It's like free will by proxy, or something. That's something different. But its not the exact same me, either. I don't have any experience with making all my decisions at creation. For me, I'm making the decisions here in the present as I experience them.If that is not what really happened, then that really doesn't have any effect on me right here that we usually mean by "me". I get it. Only because you decided to define it that way. Really though, it's not the same thing.My experience is not one where I actually have free will, I can only go down the path that I have already chosen ahead of time.Even though it is technically me that made the decision, during the playback I have no way of changing anything. I'm just a rock rolling down a hill. That's not really free will. I should be able to choose my path while I'm experiencing rolling down the hill. I'm still not saying it's impossible, but it doesn't sound like regular free will to me. That's not really a problem, if we need to modify free will to make it compatible with foreknowledge. But then, we'd both be right

I just want to be disobedient. Am I destined for hell?

That would be the case if the future was unknowable.