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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Paulk writes: Science doesn't work quite the way you think. There are degrees of certainty. The conclusion that there was never a world-wide flood while humans have existed is very high on that scale. It's not absolute but it isn't far off. Yes, that is exactly what I said in other words. The way you expressed it is correct. The way jar expressed is not. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Oh, you mean the principle of tentativity, not the scientific method. Tentativity underpins all science, so woven into the fabric that it rarely needs mention, except maybe for the sake of those who get it mixed up with the scientific method. No, I mean say what is technically correct.
Actually, scientists knew the world was spherical long before Christian clergy began insisting it was flat. No one ever thought it was flat before that, said no one ever.
Hmmm, denigrates scientists. Suggests there was a world wide flood. I did not suggest there was a flood.
But you sure are quacking the walk. Hell no, and I am proud to say that I learned that in here. Not being a creationist has made my faith stronger. So thank you to all the atheists and intelligent people in here for increasing my faith.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Paulk writes: It's silly to call it evidence of the Flood. That's why I thought that the OP was just a joke. It is direct evidence of a flood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
To call the incident of the bird in the taxi evidence for the Flood is a bit of hyperbole I just overlooked. But the incident itself certainly does remind one of the Flood -- a bird scared by the huge amount of water on its way finds a dry place to hang out with a human being -- and all the mental gyrations in the effort to deny it are typical EvC nuttiness cuz Creationists can't ever say ANYTHING at all without being contradicted, no matter how casual the comment. The exertion it takes for this endeavor is pretty impressive. Oh and Riverrat isn't even a creationist.
All the incidents of wild animals seeking human help that I mentioned that you can find at You Tube certainly suggests that something kicks in under such circumstances that leads them to trust us. They are expecting help rather than hurt. But as usual since it is claimed over and over and over that there is no evidence for the biblical worldwide Flood I just have to point out all the in-your-face evidence y'all ignore with as much wacko exertion as it takes to make a mountain out of the molehill of the cute scared birdy in the taxi. Strata Fossils Hooray for EvC. Must deserve some kind of award for this odd behavior;. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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here were people before the scientific method who were authorities on all things technical. In other words they were scientists. If they were not using the scientific method, then their results do not impugn science which requires that method. You are proving the point that being an authority without using the scientific method gives bad results. "Authorities on all things Technical" does not equal scientist. Now, what was the name of that scientist who thought the world was flat? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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riVeRraT writes: No, I mean say what is technically correct. That might be what you meant to say, but it isn't what you said. Here's what you said in Message 32, a description of tentativity:
riVeRraT in Message 32 writes: Because that is not how science works...you can't prove a negative, and nothing is ever really proven anyway...The better answer should have been "the evidence does not point to a flood, until better evidence is available". Moving on:
No one ever thought it was flat before that, said no one ever. Say what? I'll put my decryption experts on it.
I did not suggest there was a flood. Sure you did. This is how the exchange went, again from your Message 32:
RiVeRraT in Message 32 writes: Percy writes: Aren't you asserting that there *has* been a worldwide flood since humans have existed? I suggested it. First you suggest it, then you deny suggesting it - hey, still plenty of time left, you can change your mind again.
But you sure are quacking the walk. Hell no, and I am proud to say that I learned that in here. Not being a creationist has made my faith stronger. So thank you to all the atheists and intelligent people in here for increasing my faith. Congratulations on your strong faith, but let's go over the evidence again. Doesn't understand science that well.Makes confusing contradictory statements. Denigrates scientists. Believes there was a global flood. "Quack." --Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo, improve clarity in opening paragraph.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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There is absolutely no reason to think that the world is flat outside of religious belief.
Early "naturalists" relied on observations and had it figured out thousands of years Then religion came along and mandated their beliefs. Come to think of it, some of them are still trying that nonsense. We need another, more widespread, Enlightenment.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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But as usual since it is claimed over and over and over that there is no evidence for the biblical worldwide Flood I just have to point out all the in-your-face evidence y'all ignore with as much wacko exertion as it takes to make a mountain out of the molehill of the cute scared birdy in the taxi. Strata Fossils We don't ignore strata and fossils, remember? We rubbed them vigorously in your face, remember? Until you admitted your complete inability to explain the fossil record, remember? And if you don't remember, have a look here. EvC Forum: The Great Creationist Fossil Failure This is why I hardly bother posting any more, we've crushed you in every argument and the reason you don't seem to realize this seems to go beyond mere stupidity and into actual amnesia.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, strata and fossils are THE evidence for the Flood, despite EvCers' insistence on the utterly ridiculous delusional time period argument. Common sense ought to be enough to show both the impossibility of that explanation and the obvious reasonableness of the Flood explanation. I'm flattered that you come out from under your rock occasionally just to insult me, but you can go back now.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Then you agree that jar was basically right. Nit-picking about the difference between a virtual certainty and an absolute certainty seems a bit of a waste of time.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I think you need to work more on the delivery. As a joke that fell completely flat.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I think that "idiocy" would be more accurate than "hyperbole"
quote: Of course nobody is objecting to you being reminded of the Flood story. It's the attempt to argue for it as evidence of the Flood that is being objected to. Apparently we can't point out that a ridiculous falsehood is ridiculously false without you objecting. As for the question of whether riverrat is a creationist why would that matter ? I argued even more against Crashfrogs silly arguments that Jesus never existed. Should I have given those a pass because Crashfrog isn't a Creationist ?
quote: Or they are just desperate to get out of the rain. Possibly scared, too.
quote: You find it odd that people disagree with obvious falsehoods ? I think the bizarre behaviour is yours. Emphasising the the Flood is a falsehood - which you keep on doing - isn't going to convince any sane person.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Paulk writes: I think you need to work more on the delivery. As a joke that fell completely flat. It's not a joke. Are you denying what you seen with your own eyes in the video? It's pretty obvious to me the flood caused that scenario. Do you have an alternate explanation? For clarity, "a flood" and "the flood" are 2 different things.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Paulk writes: Then you agree that jar was basically right. Nit-picking about the difference between a virtual certainty and an absolute certainty seems a bit of a waste of time. No, jar said it as an absolute. Funny how the Christians get "nit picked" but jar and atheists don't.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
percy writes: Congratulations on your strong faith, but let's go over the evidence again. Doesn't understand science that well.Makes confusing contradictory statements. Denigrates scientists. Believes there was a global flood. Takes all my statements out of context and makes a fictional argument. I stand behind everything I said. If you don't get it, you are free to read it again.
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