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Author Topic:   True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing
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Message 18 of 154 (818432)
08-28-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Porkncheese
08-28-2017 12:29 AM


Re: Inconclusive not absolute
Porkncheese writes:
I agree the title may be a touch overboard but it get peoples attention first. But you are a seemingly logical person to point out the 2 things that im just making a point of.
1. No one knows eveything which some people seem to deny
2. The evidence used is inconclusive and not absolute which most people have a really hard time accepting. And something being taught as fact in public schools should be absolute and conclusive like F=ma.
And yet you probably accept many theories that are based on evidence that is inconclusive and not absolute, such as the Theory of Atoms or the Germ Theory of Disease. What you are saying is that we shouldn't teach science. Period.
Like why don't we see thousands of intermadiate fossils of humans?
Because they are still in the ground. We have only searched a tiny, tiny fraction of the Earth for fossils.
What kind of predictions have been made to support the theory?
Here are 29 predictions and evidences for the theory of evolution:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
But my points are never addressed. And no one can produce anything for me to consider. Furthermore i keep being accused of being a heritic which makes my blood boil. Yet I haved kept my cool and stayed on track.
I get the feeling that we will address your questions, and you will just ignore it.

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Message 32 of 154 (818484)
08-29-2017 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Porkncheese
08-29-2017 5:53 AM


Porkncheese writes:
People I know in biology tell me that any hypothesis formed by a student must comply to the theory of evolution regardless of the strength in the data, facts or evidence before them.
I can almost guarantee that this isn't true. It has all the markings of something you made up. I doubt that you know a single biologist who is doing scientific research.
This is the problem. You are making stuff up and expecting people to take it seriously.
I would like to thank JonF for actually providing links to information, the only person to do so. I thought he was the most objective and sane person here until ending it with a statement on creationists which left a sour taste. My posted links were not accepted (again a religion based mentality) claiming I cannot use outside sources to argue my point or something along those lines.
You were asked to discuss what was on those webpages instead of just posting bare links. This isn't a religious position. It is a position taken by those who want an informed and productive discussion. You are free to use outside sources as long as you discuss the evidence found on those pages, and show that you understand the evidence.
When Richard Dawkins, forefather in ToE makes such statements and admissions I have to question it.
Dawkins isn't even close to the forefather of evolution. I don't know why people treat him as such. People like Ernst Mayr, Douglas Futuyama, and Stephen Jay Gould are much more important figures in the development of the theory. Even then, science doesn't work through authority figures. It works through evidence.

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Message 49 of 154 (818713)
09-01-2017 10:55 AM
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09-01-2017 10:42 AM


Re: searchable database
Porkncheese writes:
What did the early primate evolve from?
I may skip a few steps, but this is it in a nutshell.
Primates evolved from a common mammalian ancestor. Mammals evolved from a common synapsid ancestor. Synapsids evolved from a common tetrapod ancestor. Tetrapods evolved from a common vertebrate ancestor. Vertebrates evolved from a common eukaryote ancestor. Eukaryotes evolved from a lineage going back to the first life forms.

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Message 52 of 154 (818716)
09-01-2017 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Porkncheese
09-01-2017 8:20 AM


Re: searchable database
Porkncheese writes:
Thanks for the links.
This is on that website you provided.
"Dendrogram
The following dendrogram represents a somewhat misleadlingly linear "great chain of being" / "ascent of man" model of human evolution. Hopefully this will be corrected in future, as the various other branche son the primate evolutionary tree are fille dout."
Its says it's misleading. All the suggestions I've read on that site and elsewhere start with "probably" "perhaps" "maybe" or other words of this nature.
Why?
It is misleading to put any fossil in a direct line of ancestry because you can't determine such relationships from fossils. Even if you dug up two human fossils you could not determine if one was the ancestor or descendant of the other.
What you can do is determine what features the fossil shares with other species, and then arrange those fossils in a cladogram according to their shared features. In a cladogram, no species is directly ancestral to another. For example, this is a cladogram for hominid species:

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Message 57 of 154 (818722)
09-01-2017 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Porkncheese
09-01-2017 12:00 PM


Re: searchable database
Porkncheese writes:
Sure is alot of conjucture. And from this knowledge these trees are drawn up showing direct links between every species all the way back to the ocean.
Fossil data is not the only data there is. DNA data is extremely powerful, and it clearly shows that all vertebrates share a common ancestor, all the way back to the ocean.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 60 of 154 (818730)
09-01-2017 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Porkncheese
09-01-2017 2:38 PM


Re: ToE admits defeat
Porkncheese writes:
ToE has collapsed under its own admissions of speculation being drawn from fossil evidence that is very fragmented.
Again, fossils aren't the only evidence. The DNA evidence on its own has proven evolution beyond any reasonable doubt.

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Message 64 of 154 (818734)
09-01-2017 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Porkncheese
09-01-2017 3:41 PM


Re: ToE admits defeat
Porkncheese writes:
Links to articles claiming to refute dna evidence
How do they refute the DNA evidence?

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Message 136 of 154 (819027)
09-05-2017 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Porkncheese
09-02-2017 4:51 PM


Re: searchable database
Porkncheese writes:
wtf... the constant false accusations is not abuse???
the constant ridicule is not abuse???
im out of here
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."--Queen Gertrude in Hamlet

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