Message 51 of 55 (814065)
07-04-2017 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Delete
07-03-2017 10:01 PM
Re: Clarification on my beliefs
|By all means. All I ask is that you attribute my name to it.|
I would never do anything less. I would even link to your own on-line resources, as I have done for others.
My site organization splits off to various topics, only one of which is "creation/evolution" -- at the bottom of pages I provide links back up the chain.
My "creation/evolution" section (http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/index.html) starts with a home page in which I try to explain what it's all about. So far that has never succeeded, so I'm constantly trying to rewrite it. The position that I'm trying to argue from is very different from what everybody else is arguing from, so they misinterpret me from their own mistaken positions.
From there, I basically branch off in two directions. I have a quotes page in which I've collected quotes from various sources: http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/quotes.html. But the main linkage to the rest of the site is my links page: http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/links.html.
I've got all kinds of stuff on my links page. I started the whole thing off as a way to link to content that I had uploaded to CompuServe in the late 1980's. So there's a CompuServe depository that I post, but then there's also what I had researched post-CompuServe.
And I discovered Christians and creationists opposing "creation science", so I posted about them. A major influence was Glenn R. Morton. When I started learning about "creation science" circa 1981 and found that their claims were completely bogus, I simplistically assumed that they simply did not know that simple fact and would cleave to truth once they learned the truth. IOW, I had forgotten almost all my fundamentalist Christian training from the Jesus Freak Movement. Instead, any idea that did not conform to their narrow YEC theology could not even be considered.
Just as an aside, I also began to realize that most creationists showing up in forums were just parroting what they had been told and had no idea what they were talking about, so when you tried to actually discuss their claims with them (which is what I would always try to do), they would immediately become defensive and abusive and whatever else it took to break the connection.
Glenn R. Morton was a BA Physics who had become a YEC and studied with the ICR graduate school. In the bleak job market for BA Physics graduates, he went to work for a petroleum exploration company. In that position, he hired on several ICR geology graduates. In the Q&S section of a 1986 presentation to the International Conference on Creationism, he asked John Morris of the ICR how old the earth is. John Morris replied, "If the earth is more than 10,000 years old then Scripture has no meaning." (it's on my quotes page) That is when Glenn R. Morton described the experiences of those ICR-trained geologists who all suffered "profound crises of faith" when confronted on a daily basis with rock-hard geological evidence that they had been taught did not exist and could not exist or else "Scripture has no meaning."
My Links section used to explicitly include a "Selected Creationists" section. Now it's more implicit with Dr. Allan H. Harvey's essays, Ed, Carl Drews, and Glenn R. Morton.
And there was also Bill Morgan, a local creationist activist. An atheist acquaintance had encountered him through a pages-long diatribe, to which I responded point-by-point -- basically it was a poor-man's reproduction of Chick Pub's "Big Daddy?". All that Bill Morgan ever responded with was that one single name on a quote was wrong.
That started a 20-year email correspondence. That resulted in a long series of him lying about everything and anything, including vicious personal lies from him. All of which thoroughly condemn all Christians in the eyes of his victims.
Of course, one could protest, declaring him to be that "one bad apple", Christians aren't perfect, don't condemn us all because of one bad experience, etc. True enough, except that he's not the only "bad apple", but rather most of the creationists we encounter behave like him; he's just one of the more extreme examples.
But the main problem that I see is that the creationist and fundamentalist communities not only tolerate creationist misconduct and dishonesty, but they actually encourage it.
Edited by dwise1, : Added to last sentence, followed by ABE section
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