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jar
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Message 151 of 899 (819072)
09-05-2017 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by riVeRraT
09-05-2017 4:40 PM


Learn basics rr.
LOL

My 2s are objective. There is absolute evidence that there has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans have existed.

There is NO evidence of any God or of a world-wide flood.

You really need to learn basics, you know, middle school stuff.

Physical evidence is objective.

Belief is subjective.

It really is that simple.

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Message 152 of 899 (819075)
09-05-2017 5:30 PM
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09-05-2017 5:11 PM


Re: Lear basics rr.
Strata and fossils

Evidence of God is the Bible. Also evidence of the Flood but in that case it helps to be able to point to the strata and fossils.


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Message 153 of 899 (819076)
09-05-2017 5:41 PM
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09-05-2017 5:30 PM


Re: Lear basics rr.
Faith writes:

Strata and fossils. Evidence of God is the Bible.

What an amazing coincidence!

The evidence for the biblical flood turns out to be exactly the same evidence - geology and fossils - that was used to demostrate the the real age of the earth and the origin of species. Precisely the things that creationists denied and railed against.

Who'd have thought it? Brilliant!


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Message 154 of 899 (819077)
09-05-2017 5:49 PM
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09-05-2017 5:41 PM


Strata n Fossils
Yes indeed it is amazing that the obvious is so overlooked. Brilliant I don't know. It's really quite obvious. The standard interpretation is bogus, ridiculous. Common sense should tell you that. Strata are laid down in water, neatly stacked with neat flat contacts just as we see them. Millions of years of evolution is ridiculous for many reasons, but at least the idea of time periods of millions of years, each bounded by a water event that laid down strata before the next occurred. Such a neat demarcation? By an event that would have killed off whatever was living during the supposed time period and killed evolution right there and then?. At the end of each "time period?" It makes NO sense. It is BO-gus!.

Fossils in such abundance demonstrate rapid deposition in water, not gradual deaths over millions of years. It's SO obvious.

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Message 155 of 899 (819078)
09-05-2017 6:24 PM
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09-05-2017 5:49 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Faith writes:

Yes indeed it is amazing that the obvious is so overlooked.

Stunning. Almost unbelievable that the evidence science uncovered and the theory it derived that explains it also turns out to be the same evidence that fundamentalists need to justify their beliefs.

The only flaw is that silly age thing. Well maybe not the only thing.


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Message 156 of 899 (819079)
09-05-2017 6:27 PM
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09-05-2017 6:24 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Not really all that stunning. We'd expect a major reinterpretation of the evidence for the failed paradigm when the true paradigm comes alone.

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jar
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Message 157 of 899 (819080)
09-05-2017 6:41 PM
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09-05-2017 5:30 PM


Utter falsehoods from Faith.
Faith writes:

Strata and fossils

as you have been shown and admitted there is no model, method, mechanism, process, procedure, or thingamabob that would allow a flood to sort either the geological or biological evidence as found in reality. Your continued misrepresentation of reality does not change the fact that there has never been a world-wide global flood at anytime humans have existed.

Nor is the Bible much support since it includes two mutually exclusive versions of the Biblical Flood myth.

Nor is the Bible evidence of God.

Posting absurdities does not make your nonsense anything more than absurd.

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Message 158 of 899 (819081)
09-05-2017 6:56 PM
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09-05-2017 4:36 PM


rVeRraT writes:

Percy writes:

riVeRraT writes:

I am not a creationist. Creationist do not conduct real science.

The CRS (Creation Research Society) and the Discovery Institute and Steve Austin and Jonathan Wells and Michael Behe and Stephen Meyer and William Dembski and (throwing him in just for fun) Kent Hovind would disagree with you.


About what? That I am not a creationist, or that they are not conducting real science?

Those organizations and people believe that creationists do conduct real science, so you have no reason to exclude yourself from the ranks of the creationists.

Either way who gives a rats ass what they think.

Those so easily dismissive are as easily dismissed. Obviously you care what you think, and you want others to care, too, else you wouldn't be here.

I don't debate the absurdly ridiculous. "Oh, look, it's raining, evidence of the flood."

Ummm, let me check, nope I never said that. So was this statement another one of your unattacks on my character? Me thinks so.

You're wrong both factually and grammatically. Rain and hawks are equally absurd examples of ridiculous evidence for a fictional event.

If you pick and choose your evidence then anything can seem true.

Who's picking and choosing? Not me, you are.

If you weren't picking and choosing among the evidence then a flood from a Bible story wouldn't seem like a meaningful possibility to you.

Seashells on a mountain top are evidence of the flood, as long as you ignore all the other evidence.

Until the other evidence changes or new evidence is found. Aren't we always supposed to be on the look out for a better explanation? Who's picking and choosing now? Who has the closed mind now? Words are important.

But your idea of a better explanation is something that supports your religious beliefs. You're not seeking evidence to help decide between competing explanations of the real world.

Your ability to assemble a grouping of incomplete evidence doesn't make the flood any less impossible than it already is.

Incomplete evidence can do the same thing, as does lack of knowledge.

If you're looking for evidence of the fictional, I think your hawk is better evidence of Horus than of the flood.

--Percy


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Message 159 of 899 (819082)
09-05-2017 8:06 PM
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09-05-2017 6:41 PM


Re: Utter lies from jar
Actually I've many times answered your ridiculous claim with a description of my model.

And the Bible certainly is evidence of God, that's one of its major purposes, to document the miracles that prove His existence and who He is.


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jar
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Message 160 of 899 (819083)
09-05-2017 8:15 PM
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09-05-2017 8:06 PM


Re: Utter lies from jar
Faith writes:

Actually I've many times answered your ridiculous claim with a description of my model.

Then provide a link to the post where you present the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure for a flood to sort the geological and biological samples in the order found in reality.

You will not do that because no one has ever been able to do that and that Faith, is the real TRUTH.

Faith writes:

And the Bible certainly is evidence of God, that's one of its major purposes, to document the miracles that prove His existence and who He is.

And the Qu'ran is equally evidence of God and the Nordic Myths are equally evidence of God and the Vedas are equally evidence of God.

Sorry Faith but your assertion that the Bible is evidence of God is pretty much worthless.


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Message 161 of 899 (819089)
09-06-2017 12:05 AM
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09-05-2017 5:49 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
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Yes indeed it is amazing that the obvious is so overlooked

Faith, we are not overlooking the fact that you are lying, but we don't consider it a reason to believe you.

quote:

Strata are laid down in water, neatly stacked with neat flat contacts just as we see them

Except when they aren't. And we find evidence of long periods of time between deposition, of massive erosion, of terrain features.

quote:

Millions of years of evolution is ridiculous for many reasons, but at least the idea of time periods of millions of years, each bounded by a water event that laid down strata before the next occurred. Such a neat demarcation? By an event that would have killed off whatever was living during the supposed time period and killed evolution right there and then?. At the end of each "time period?" It makes NO sense. It is BO-gus!.

It is indeed "BO-gus". It is also your invention. If you really had "many reasons" why evolution over millions of years is ridiculous, then why on earth would you make up a silly strawman ?

quote:

Fossils in such abundance demonstrate rapid deposition in water, not gradual deaths over millions of years. It's SO obvious.

Even the abundance of fossils works against you there are TOO many.

But the really obvious evidence is the order of the fossil record. There is no way that rapid deposition in water would produce that. As you know.

So this is just another of your failed attempts to destroy the truth. And they will go on failing so long as you rely on ignoring the evidence against you.


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Message 162 of 899 (819093)
09-06-2017 2:17 AM
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09-06-2017 12:05 AM


Re: Strata n Fossils
The antediluvian world was obviously teeming with life beyond our ability to imagine, and the supposed fossil record is some kind of illusion, not really even as consistent as you believe, but the evidence favors the Flood in any case so obviously it's wrong.

Cheers.


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Message 163 of 899 (819095)
09-06-2017 2:38 AM
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09-05-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Faith writes:

Not really all that stunning. We'd expect a major reinterpretation of the evidence for the failed paradigm when the true paradigm comes alone.

Right and that inconvenient age thing?


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Message 164 of 899 (819096)
09-06-2017 2:39 AM
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09-06-2017 2:17 AM


Re: Strata n Fossils
In other words just ignore the evidence that proves you wrong and believe your lies instead.

And why exactly should we do that ?


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Message 165 of 899 (819101)
09-06-2017 7:23 AM
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09-06-2017 2:17 AM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Faith writes:

The antediluvian world was obviously teeming with life beyond our ability to imagine, and the supposed fossil record is some kind of illusion, not really even as consistent as you believe, but the evidence favors the Flood in any case so obviously it's wrong.

Cheers.

Fortunately Faith, we do not have to imagine it; we actually have the evidence that tells us what life has been like going back millions of years. We have fossils and casts and actual items preserved in amber and frozen in ice and we can say what life was like, and life was pretty much like it is today.

The Biblical Floods are just myths and no honest person thinks otherwise.

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