Evidence of the flood

Faith writes: Strata and fossils

as you have been shown and admitted there is no model, method, mechanism, process, procedure, or thingamabob that would allow a flood to sort either the geological or biological evidence as found in reality. Your continued misrepresentation of reality does not change the fact that there has never been a world-wide global flood at anytime humans have existed.

Nor is the Bible much support since it includes two mutually exclusive versions of the Biblical Flood myth.

Nor is the Bible evidence of God.

Posting absurdities does not make your nonsense anything more than absurd.

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Faith writes: Actually I've many times answered your ridiculous claim with a description of my model.

Then provide a link to the post where you present the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure for a flood to sort the geological and biological samples in the order found in reality.

You will not do that because no one has ever been able to do that and that Faith, is the real TRUTH.

Faith writes: And the Bible certainly is evidence of God, that's one of its major purposes, to document the miracles that prove His existence and who He is.

And the Qu'ran is equally evidence of God and the Nordic Myths are equally evidence of God and the Vedas are equally evidence of God.

Sorry Faith but your assertion that the Bible is evidence of God is pretty much worthless.

Faith writes: The antediluvian world was obviously teeming with life beyond our ability to imagine, and the supposed fossil record is some kind of illusion, not really even as consistent as you believe, but the evidence favors the Flood in any case so obviously it's wrong. Cheers.

Fortunately Faith, we do not have to imagine it; we actually have the evidence that tells us what life has been like going back millions of years. We have fossils and casts and actual items preserved in amber and frozen in ice and we can say what life was like, and life was pretty much like it is today.

The Biblical Floods are just myths and no honest person thinks otherwise.

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Faith writes: Strata and fossils.

How does a flood sort items into millions of recurring layers of fine particles and then coarser particles?

How does the same flood also deposit layers of salt hundreds of feet thick then layers of rock then more layers of salt yet more hundreds of feet thick then more rock?

How does the same flood sort radioactive samples by age?

How does the same flood sort biological samples as found in reality?

How does the same flood deposit animal tracks?

How does the same flood deposit a layer and then erode a layer and then deposit another layer over the area eroded?

Model, mechanics, method, process, procedure...

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LOL

There is no Cult of jar.

But if you send money I will try to hum a few bars.

The fact remains that there is physical evidence that shows there has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans have existed. That is objective.

There is no evidence of either a God or any world-wide flood. That is objective.

So once again absolutely no model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how a flood can produce the very real, very objective evidence that exists.

Faith writes: Go find the model, it's been posted many times on threads put up for that purpose.

I searched and it has not been found. Please post a link to the message.

If you like, we can go through the issues one at a time.

To begin at the beginning, how does your flood sort millions of recurring and repeating layers of fine sediment alternating with coarser sediment?

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Faith writes: In any case, it's easy to explain a Flood that covered the entire world making layer after layer of different sediments and, really, nothing else can.

So you claim.

Please explain how your flood deposits millions of recurring and repeating layers of fine silt covered by coarser silt.

Present the model, method, process, mechanism, procedure Faith.

Faith writes: The standard theory can't be known either. And it's so utterly absurd I would hope some people would soon wake up and see it.

There you go posting Porkies again.

Of course the standard theory can be known and it is really, really simple and far from absurd.

The standard theory is that in geology the same processes we see going on today also happened in the past.

The standard theory in biology is that the fossils and casts found in reality are indications of the living things at an earlier time.

Change leaves evidence.

See Faith, the standard theory can be known.

The Earth is old.

There has never been a flood during the time humans lived.

It really is that simple

Faith writes: The evidence doesn't show repeated local floods at all, the strata are way too consistent for that, as are the fossils. Everything about the strata says Flood, not time periods, as I've argued here many times.

Then you need to show the model, mechanism, method, procedure or process that will allow your flood to deposit a column of millions of repeating fine silt layers alternating with coarse silt layers.

RAZD writes: Is there any point in "debating" with someone who preaches rather than debates?

There is not just a point but rather a necessity. It is essential to continue presenting reality when fantasies are presented as fact; if for no other reason then the fact that someone who is honest and not willfully ignorant may well read the posts and realize that what they have been told is utter nonsense.

Reality trumps logic.

Change leaves evidence.

Faith presents no evidence, no model for a very good reason. It is simply impossible to support Young Earth, the Biblical Flood or Special Creation since none of them ever happened.

Faith writes: I'm repeating either that there is evidence for the Flood or the evidence itself in this series of posts, and since I'm getting back assertions that there is no evidence blah blah blah I think my responses are quite in order.

You keep making that claim yet fail to actually present any evidence or even any explanation of how a flood could actually do what is seen in ANY evidence that others have presented or that has be found over the last several hundred years.

The Biblical flood never happened.

Special creation never happened.

The Fall never happened.

The Earth is billions of years old.

Reality says you are wrong.

The Bible says you are wrong.

Faith writes: But any of those terms imply that God is left out of the scientific reckoning so my question still is What if there is a God who made it all and science is ignoring Him?

Utterly unnecessary suppositions should be left out.

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Faith writes: As for evidence I've given lots of it on other threads, and if you are denying that, you are playing a really nasty game here.

Frankly I don't think you know what the word "evidence" means. But the fact is, reality is, the truth is, that since there has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans existed you cannot have provided any evidence of a either of the Biblical Flood myths.

I think it's important to understand why the Bible should be rejected as evidence of a world-wide flood.

A Bible story is what is described as poor, unreliable evidence. The Biblical Flood stories are particularly poor, unreliable evidence.

First, there are at least two stories, the two stories contradict each other on key parts, both are anonymous and without known authorship. In addition, all of the physical evidence, not just some, but 100% of the physical evidence, contradicts both tales.

The Bible as evidence in this case is about like the police department getting calls saying there was an explosion at the factory and everyone was killed only to find when they respond that the factory is fine, everyone is fine, no one noticed an explosion and everywhere anyone investigates the physical evidence shows that there was no explosion and that even years and years afterwards there is no indication the incident happened.

At best, the Bible stories are only evidence that at least two different peoples, two different cultures had folk tales relating to floods. When you understand that many cultures have myths about floods, many that predate and parallel the Bible Stories and are from cultures the authors of the Bible stories would be familiar with and cultures that also appear in other Bible stories from the same relative time period, the the Bible Flood myths become even less reliable than they already were.

Unless actual physical evidence can be presented that there was a world-wide flood during the time humans existed any assertions that one or both of the Biblical floods reflects reality should be at best, met with pity and compassion for the poor individual who has been deluded.