Evidence of the flood

Tell me about it. Their switch to requiring an upgrade cost to post pictures for "third party streaming" is a major bummer.So I'm now using a facebook account to hold pictures. It's clunky but free ... at this point ...mad

With no grandfathering to keep old photos that have been used, it's outrageous. Bait and Switch? Maybe. Also looking at ImageVenue.com.But I've been burned twice now by hosting companies, so call me skeptical ...Enjoy

Because you are a wind-up talking cupie doll with a set program of simple arguments that never changes. Someone posts a "trigger" word or phrase and you come in with guns blazing ... except that it is tired, old, refuted garbage.or something like that

Such fun watching the creationists dance on and off and on and off their positions, because flood, no: hawk, no: flood .... look: strata!!! but I'm not talking about the flood ... but if I was ...Most fun all month.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ...

Tell you what faith Just for fun, why don't you define them and provide examples?

1. the definition of evidence is: ________________
   and examples are
   1. example 1
   2. example 2
   3. etc
2. the definition of proof is: ________________
   and examples are
   1. example 1
   2. example 2
   3. etc

Waiting with baited breath I am ... (not)Enjoy

The fun keeps pouring in."Dance, dance, wherever you may be
I am the lord of the dance, said he
And I lead you all, wherever you may be
And I lead you all in the dance, said he "Enjoy

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Except where it didn't.Over 50 thousand alternating layers of diatoms and clay in Lake Suigetsu (fresh water)
Over 70 thousand alternating layers of forams and silt in Cariaco Basin (salt water)
Millions of alternating layers of fine and coarse sediments in the Green River formation One flood event cannot make these formations, because natural water and natural materials do not naturally behave that way ... unless it is supernatural and invoking a magic flying carpet flood is just a metaphor for saying god-did-it.Curiously you have also argued that it can gently pick up fragile marine formations, lift them to mountain tops and set them down unbroken with a complete record of thousands of years of mature marine growth.You can't have it both ways except by being wrong about both ways (which, btw, you are).Enjoy

Sweet. I am looking for other data that has collected time vs climate indices for part 3 to show that the climate correlations are like the 14C correlations and wiggle-matching. It's in my sig (to share: RAZD8@yahoo.com) -- also my sign-in for facebook.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

No, it means that there is objective empirical evidence that you can go to and verify -- touch and feel -- that show the earth is very very very old.Your "evidence" is assertion and cherry-picking some aspects and complete denial of the rest, and the reality is in the rest ... you only use a fraction of the evidence and omit the rest because it is so inconvenient (ie falsifies) your position.These are not remotely equivalently evidenced positions. Counted individual annual layers of Greenland Ice cores extended the minimum age of the earth to at least 107,000 years old (2017).That's like a factor of 10, and I don't call that a small amount in any reasonable book.Then we have a calcite vein in Nevada, Devil's Hole, that shows the earth is at least 567.7 thousand years old.That's another factor of 5 ...Dating mammillaries in the Grand Canyon shows it took over 14 million years to reach its current form, and the earth is at least 17 million years oldThat's another factor of 34 ...The Oklo Reactors, extinct natural nuclear reactors, show the earth is at least 1.74 billion years oldThat's another factor of 100 ...The radiometric dating methods are verified accurate by the counting layers data and by Uranium halos that take millions of years to form.You have no idea what you are up against.You don't have evidence, you have denial of evidence and pipe dream fantasies.Not only does all the evidence show an extremely old earth, it shows that no fantasy flying carpet flood occurred in all the time covered.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

You are welcome to your opinion, but not to your own "alternate" facts.It would be nice if you would recognize the mountains of objective empirical evidence you have been given instead of ignoring it again and again.

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The Green River Formation is an Eocene geologic formation that records the sedimentation in a group of intermountain lakes in three basins along the present-day Green River in Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah. The sediments are deposited in very fine layers, a dark layer during the growing season and a light-hue inorganic layer in the dry season. Each pair of layers is called a varve and represents one year. The sediments of the Green River Formation present a continuous record of six million years. The mean thickness of a varve here is 0.18 mm, with a minimum thickness of 0.014 mm and maximum of 9.8 mm.[1]

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The lithology of the lake sediments is varied and includes sandstones, mudstones, siltstones, oil shales, coal beds, saline evaporite beds, and a variety of lacustrine limestones and dolostones. Volcanic ash layers within the various sediments from the then active Absaroka Volcanic field to the north in the vicinity of Yellowstone and the San Juan volcanic field to the southeast provide dateable horizons within the sediments.

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The beds display a pronounced cyclicity, with the precession, obliquity, and eccentricity orbital components all clearly detectable. This enables the beds to be internally dated with a high degree of accuracy, and astrochronological dates agree very well with radiometric dates.[2]

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Within the Green River Formation of southwest Wyoming in the area known as Fossil Lake, two distinct zones of very fine-grained lime muds are particularly noted for preserving a variety of complete and detailed fossils. These layers are an Eocene Lagersttte, a rare place where conditions were right for a rich accumulation of undisturbed fossils. The most productive zonecalled the split fish layerconsists of a series of laminated or varved lime muds about 6 ft (1.8 m) thick, which contains abundant fish and other fossils. These are easily split along the layers to reveal the fossils. This thin zone represents some 4000 years of deposition. The second fossil zone, the 18 inch layer, is an unlaminated layer about 18 in (46 cm) thick that also contains abundant detailed fossils, but is harder to work because it is not composed of fissile laminae.

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The limestone matrix is so fine-grained that fossils include rare soft parts of complete insects and fallen leaves in spectacular detail. More than twenty-two orders of insects are represented in the Green River collection at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., alone.

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Fish fossils of Diplomystus and Knightia are found in Fossil Lake but not in Lake Gosiute. Only Lake Gosiute has fossils of catfish (Ictaluridae and Hypsidoridae) and suckers (Catostomidae). The catfish are found mostly in the deepest parts of the lake.[3][4]

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The various fossil beds of the Green River Formation span a 5 million year period, dating to between 53.5 and 48.5 million years old.[5] This span of time includes the transition between the moist early Eocene climate and the slightly drier mid-Eocene. The climate was moist and mild enough to support crocodiles, which do not tolerate frost, and the lakes were surrounded by sycamore forests. As the lake configurations shifted, each Green River location is distinct in character and time. The lake system formed over underlying river deltas and shifted in the flat landscape with slight tectonic movements, receiving sediments from the Uinta highland and the Rocky Mountains to the east and north. The lagersttten formed in anoxic conditions in the fine carbonate muds that formed in the lakebeds. Lack of oxygen slowed bacterial decomposition and kept scavengers away, so leaves of palms, ferns and sycamores, some showing the insect damage they had sustained during their growth, were covered with fine-grained sediment and preserved. Insects were preserved whole, even delicate wing membranes and spider spinnerets.

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Vertebrates were preserved too, including the scutes of Borealosuchus, the crocodile that was an early clue to the mild Eocene climate of Western North America. Fish are common. The fossils of the herring-like Knightia, sometimes in dense layers, as if a school had wandered into anoxic water levels and were overcome, are familiar to fossil-lovers and are among the most commonly available fossils on the commercial market. There were two genera of indigenous freshwater stingray, Heliobatis and Asterotrygon. Approximately sixty vertebrate taxa in all have been found at Green River. Besides fishes they include at least eleven species of reptiles, and some birds and one armadillo-like mammal, Brachianodon westorum, with some scattered vertebrae of others, like the dog-sized Meniscotherium and Notharctus, one of the first primates. The earliest known bats (Icaronycteris index ,[6] and Onychonycteris finneyi[7]), already full-developed for flight, are found here. Even a snake, Boavus idelmani, found its way into a lake and was preserved in the mudstone.

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That's the consilience with other data that makes the extreme old age of the earth such a solid, validated position.Again, you have no idea of the amount of actual objective empirical evidence that is piled up against your ridiculous arguments. That does not create alternating layers of fine and coarse material -- any water motion with enough energy to carry coarse material would pick up all the fine material before depositing the coarse material, and if it doesn't have the energy to pick up the fine material then it can't carry the coarse material.You have been told this before.And when you pretend that this fantasy magic wave action produces 6,000,000 layers in a couple hundred days it just becomes a real hoot, because that is not "quiet enough precipitation of particles" ... 15,000 layers a day for 400 days? ROFLOL. It's based on how things actually behave. It fits ALL the evidence. It's tested and validated. It's based on our best understanding of reality in virtually every field of science.Enjoy

Shulman's tree on top of the Sierra Nevadas with a minimum germination date of 3051 BCE makes it 5,067 years old, dead trees with roots still in the ground have over 7,000 annual growth rings, dendrochronology from the Bristlecone Pines shows the earth is at least 8,307 years old (in 2017).For starters.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

And the rabid denial begins ... If it is so iffy faith, how do you explain all the age measuring systems agreeing with one another time after time?Why does all the evidence of age agree with an old earth and none of the evidence of age supports a young earth?'Splain it to me.Enjoy

Multiple trees from multiple locations agree time after time after time.
Varves agree with the trees. Several cores with the same results.
Ice cores agree with the varves. Several cores with the same results.You're not talking about reinterpreting, you're talking about denial of the evidence. There is no record of different climate in the tree record, in the varve record, in the ice core record ... so no, we do not know the world was different before the flood, and in fact the same evidence shows there was no flood. The peaks of the Sierra Nevada range show no evidence of flood for over 8,000 years. And the rabid denial continues.Enjoy

I don't have to ignore evidence that does not exist. Honestly faith, you have nothing but fantasy and rabid denial.Enjoy