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jar
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Message 380 of 899 (819569)
09-12-2017 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
09-12-2017 8:51 PM


Re: Millions of aternating layers Faith
Faith writes:
I don't get this "silt" business since silt is a particular sediment that occurs in particular blocks and doesn't characterize all that much of the geo column. And where are you getting this ridiculous idea of millions of layers of silt anyway?
All this has been explained to you repeatedly Faith. The layers I was referencing are the Green River Varves.
Now it is up to you to explain how either of the Biblical Flood stories can explain millions of repeating layers of fine silt covered by coarser silt.
If you cannot provide the mechanism, model, method, process or procedure for the magic flood to do that then the best explanation is the current one of seasonal changes over millions of years.
Faith writes:
What makes the "time period" explanation any better for such a water-borne scenario anyway?
The fact that it is millions of layers Faith. Your flood was only a few years ago in reality and lasted only one year. There are only 365 days in a year and two tides a day which gives you a maximum of only 730 cycles for the best your picayune little flud could do.
But wait, there's more. From the size of the silt particles we can determine how long it would take for them to fall out of suspension and from the thickness of each layer we can calculate how long it took to create each layer and each layer took far more than a half day.
Sorry but that alone makes the flud a dud and an impossible explanation and also makes young earth an absurdity.

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jar
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Message 382 of 899 (819571)
09-12-2017 10:14 PM


What it takes ...
The important thing is to understand that just one location that was not flooded totally refutes the Biblical floods; just one single place or culture or technology or plant that was not flooded during the time the Biblical Flood happened is sufficient to dismiss the story as fable or folk tale.
Just one site that would take longer than 6000 years to create is sufficient to tally dismiss Young Earth as a fantasy.
It does not matter how much evidence is claimed to support Young Earth or one of the Biblical Flood stories, one site, one tree, one culture, one technology is all that is need to dismiss both as myth.

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jar
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Message 397 of 899 (819588)
09-13-2017 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 383 by Faith
09-13-2017 12:36 AM


Re: Millions of aternating layers Faith
Faith writes:
What on earth do the Green River varves have to do with the Flood? Obviously your varves were not formed accvording to the timing you have in mind and you have no way of proving they were. You can have that hypothesis if you like, but the Flood would have wiped out the Green River so however they formed it was after the Flood.
Too funny. Thank you for showing that the Earth is Old and that the Biblical Flood never happened.
You really don't see how utterly absurd your posts are if you are trying to support either the Biblical Flood or Young Earth do you?
It would be laughable if you were really trying to be funny but I fear you aren't.
The Green River Varves are annual cycles. We can see the same thing happening at other sites today. Annual cycles are real and they do leave evidence. If what you posted were true and the Green River Varves were formed after the flud then the flud was at least six million years ago.
Faith writes:
Chalk it up for your side if you like. But I've given plenty of reason to chalk up a bunch of points on my side, stuff that undermines all the claims of great age. So you point your evidence of it on one side and I'll put mine on the other. You can't ignore my evidence just because you have some very iffy evidence for your claims.;
No Faith, the only evidence you have ever presented is the weak evidence that there are two Bible stories that claim there was a world-wide flood and those accounts are anonymous, contradictory, mutually exclusive and disproved by reality.

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jar
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Message 398 of 899 (819589)
09-13-2017 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Faith
09-13-2017 12:42 AM


Re: What it takes ...
Faith writes:
We know the world was different before the FLood.
Bullshit Faith.
Once again reality says you are just telling Porkies.

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jar
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Message 409 of 899 (819600)
09-13-2017 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 405 by Phat
09-13-2017 8:13 AM


Re: Back To The Definition Of Evidence
Evidence is something that can be shown to exist.
For example Bible stories are evidence that at some time in the past someone collected, recorded and complied those stories. Bible stories are NOT evidence that they are true, reflect reality or are historical.
Witness testimony is evidence that the witness claims to have knowledge of something, but it is not evidence that what is claimed is true or false.
Faith's testimony that the strata and fossils are evidence of the flood is only evidence that Faith makes that claim, not that strata and fossils are evidence of the flood. For it to be evidence of the flood she needs to provide the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure for a flood to sort objects in the order found in reality AND be able to show that such sorting actually happens during floods.
On the other hand, the claim that the Green River Varves are evidence of an old earth actually has outside support. The varves exist. We can see similar varves being produced at other locations even today. The varves count also is corroborated by other methods such as index fossils, radiometric dating as well as newer dating technologies.
Faith's testimony is evidence but only evidence that she is making such a claim, not evidence of a flood or young earth.

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jar
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Message 411 of 899 (819602)
09-13-2017 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Phat
09-13-2017 8:50 AM


Re: Back To The Definition Of Evidence
Phat writes:
Perhaps Faith has an alternative definition of evidence.
I can call an apple a butterbean but it is still an apple. Faith can make up whatever definitions she wants. That is called fantasy at best, dishonest in most cases.

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jar
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Message 414 of 899 (819605)
09-13-2017 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by Phat
09-13-2017 9:01 AM


Re: Back To The Definition Of Evidence
Phat writes:
Some of the Pastors that I know would likely claim that since the Bible is true, God by definition through Jesus is evident. They would then probably quote Romans.
Yup, some would. But when they say silly stuff like that and fall back on quote mining and proof texts it is time to chuckle, pat them on the head, tell them that is interesting and send them back to the kiddie table.

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jar
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Message 416 of 899 (819607)
09-13-2017 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by Phat
09-13-2017 9:14 AM


Re: Back To The Definition Of Evidence
Phat writes:
In addition, they likely conflate belief as evidence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's too bad more pastors are not insulted. They need to be insulted.

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jar
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Message 434 of 899 (819633)
09-13-2017 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Faith
09-13-2017 1:30 PM


Re: evidence
Think Faith.
You claim a world-wide flood.
If there is evidence of even one spot anywhere on the Earth that was not flooded during the last 6000 years then that one spot alone is sufficient to refute the flood story.
One spot Faith, that is all it takes.
You claim a young Earth.
If there is evidence of even one spot anywhere on the Earth that older than 6000 years then that one spot alone is sufficient to refute the flood story.
One spot Faith, that is all it takes.

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jar
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Message 443 of 899 (819646)
09-13-2017 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Faith
09-13-2017 6:18 PM


Truth and Reality say the Creationist is always wrong.
Faith writes:
No, the policy at EvC is, the Creationist Is Always Wrong.
No Faith, it is truth, facts, honesty and reality that say the Creationist is always wrong. But ignorance can be cured and everyone here will try to help any Creationist who would like to not be always wrong.

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jar
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Message 446 of 899 (819649)
09-13-2017 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by Faith
09-13-2017 6:37 PM


Primates are Primates are Primates
Humans are just another kind of ape. They are still apes; created in the image of apes.

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jar
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Message 448 of 899 (819651)
09-13-2017 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 447 by Faith
09-13-2017 6:41 PM


Re: Truth and Reality say the Creationist is always wrong.
Faith writes:
You're so funny jar. "Ignorance" is Evospeak for disagreeing with either the Old Earth or Theory of Evolution.
No disagreeing with the fact of Old Earth or the fact of evolution or the fact that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the fact of the reality that exists in the biological samples ever found is actually called Willful Ignorance and that cannot be cured.

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jar
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Message 457 of 899 (819662)
09-13-2017 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Coragyps
09-13-2017 7:41 PM


Re: A charming fat fish proves radiometic dating is false cuz the varves aren't annual
Once again, what is happening today is what happened in the past.

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jar
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Message 465 of 899 (819671)
09-13-2017 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
09-13-2017 8:07 PM


"The why" Faith
Faith writes:
I mean, why would this layering have stopped anyway?
For exactly the same reasons as things start and stop today.
The processes in the past are exactly the same processes that are happening today. Mountains are pushed up and lowland become highlands. Weathering and erosion wear the high spots down and fill the low spots.
This is really pretty basic obvious stuff Faith.
BUT you still miss the point.
You claim that the Earth is young.
One, just one example like the Green River Varves proves the Earth is NOT young.
You claim there was a world-wide flood.
One, just one example of a place or tree or technology or culture that was not destroyed in the flood proves the Biblical flood never happened.

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jar
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Message 476 of 899 (819689)
09-13-2017 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
09-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
Faith writes:
I state my case, you state yours. That's the best that ever happens here.
Not true Faith. One side states the evidence as well as the model, method, mechanism, process and procedure and then also shows that the model, process, mechanism, method and procedure happen today while you provide no evidence, no model, no method, no mechanism, no process or procedure and no examples of anything relating to reality today.
BUT you still miss the point.
You claim that the Earth is young.
One, just one example like the Green River Varves proves the Earth is NOT young.
You claim there was a world-wide flood.
One, just one example of a place or tree or technology or culture that was not destroyed in the flood proves the Biblical flood never happened.

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