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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: PROVE IT. SHOW A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF DEPOSITION ON TOP OF THE GEO GOLUMN THAT IS CONTINUOUS WITH IT. THE MISSISSIPPI DELTA LAYERS DON'T EVEN COVER THE GOLUMN THAT SAGS INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO
Then what column do they cover? Or do you think they float up into the sky?
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: ON TOP OF IS NOT CONTINUOUS WITH Then what makes a layer continuous?
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edge Member (Idle past 1733 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
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In that case, it appears you are saying that the Mississippi River stopped flowing for a significant period of time. I mean, we are attributing a certain set of sediments to the river and they are sequential, ostensibly deposited in the same way, so the river must have stopped. I have to say that I was actually surprised at the age of these sediments when I read the paper, but yes, they do have oil wells to support the conclusions. When the Appalachians began to erode, some of the rivers flowed out to the south and another system appears to have flowed west to form, ultimately, the great erg deposits of the Mesozoic. If you were serious, I'd do some more research and try to tie it all together, but I'm just concerned that you will simply dismiss my efforts.
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edge Member (Idle past 1733 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
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Well, yes. And that is what we call an unconformity. There are thousands of them in the geological record around the world.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My impression is that we are not communicating at all, I don't know what you are saying that relates to anything I'm saying and vice versa.
What I would like to see is a cross section of any place where strata are depositing on top of say the "Holocene" that follow the same pattern as all the strata beneath. Or something like that.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: HEY! SHOW ME these supposed current varve deposits that I'm supposed to think are part of the Geo Column. All sedimentary deposits are part of the stratigraphic column, by definition. Beneath the varves are just more sedimentary deposits (with the occasional other types of deposits like volcanic and ash) until below a certain depth there are no more sedimentary deposits, just mantle. You seem to think that the top of the stratigraphic column lies buried beneath the surface somewhere. It's not. The stratigraphic column continues right up to the surface you walk on. The deeper parts of the stratigraphic column are rock strata, but the topmost strata are unconsolidated soils and clays and so forth. The stratigraphic column *is* continuous from top to bottom. --Percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Being on top is not being continuous with. Except where there are erosional gaps, sure it is! That's just the nature of things. And geologists are pretty good at identifying all of these things. That's what they do for a living.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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edge Member (Idle past 1733 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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What I would like to see is a cross section of any place where strata are depositing on top of say the "Holocene" that follow the same pattern as all the strata beneath. Or something like that.
Okay, took me one minute. The lowest sediments in this section are upper Triassic and there is a continuous depositional sequence through the Pleistocene.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Hmmm. I'm reading and posting through this thread more slowly than posts are accumulating. Maybe I should start posting one-liners. Nah. It's tempting, but it might encourage people who seem to think this is Twitter and not a discussion board.
Faith writes: Prove it. Show me a KNOWN example of a RECENTLY deposited LAYER like those in the Geo Column. The problem isn't that you don't have examples, because you do. Everywhere there is net-deposition throughout the world the stratigraphic column is growing. As I keep saying, the world's oceans cover 3/4 of the planet, and almost that entire realm is one of net deposition where the stratigraphic column is growing. And Edge provided the particularly deep examples of the Mississippi Delta and the Bahamas Banks as recent sedimentary deposits atop the stratigraphic column. The problem is one of definitions. You've defined stratigraphic column (you're using the term geologic column, but close enough) to be the layers deposited by the mythical Flood. That is not the definition of the stratigraphic column. The stratigraphic column rises right up to ground level. It isn't something that is buried beneath the ground. It isn't something that starts only after you've dug down to rock. In geology the covering layer of soils and clays and so forth are the least interesting and so receive the least attention, but they are part of the stratigraphic column nonetheless. I can't say I'm certain in my terminology, so if Edge or someone wants to jump in then please feel free. --Percy
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edge Member (Idle past 1733 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Here is another example of continuous sedimentation through the Mesozoic and into the Tertiary. I hope it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that sedimentation is continuing in the present.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: You are wrong. I did start giving up on threads but only about three years ago... Well, that's a lie. You've been abandoning threads since you began participating in earnest here in 2004.
...because the attitude here was getting to me. When the problem is with everyone's attitude but yourself, it might be wise to consider the possibility that it is your own attitude that is at the root of the problem.
But even after that I posted a LOT of VERY substantivel argument. You've made up an evolving (how ironic) story out of thin air that follows your eclectic Biblical interpretations, and then instead of finding evidence to support it you just repeat the story over and over again and ignore all rebuttals.
And for you to say otherwise is just another example of the attitude I'm talking about. I'm just recounting history. The entire forum history is here for you to peruse. If you think I'm wrong it will be very easy for you to prove.
The real question is why I post here at all given the attitude I have to put up with. That's right, blame everyone but yourself. You're the only one behaving badly, but it's everyone else's attitude that's at fault. Yeah, sure. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: PROVE IT! Has it perhaps occurred to you that your many one-liner replies like this do nothing to support your monotonous claims of substantive posts? Anyway, you quote nothing from Edge's Message 535, but I'm guessing you want him to prove that dust and ash layers are found throughout the geologic column. This is incredibly odd thing to ask given how common ash is in the geologic column. Why you insist on displaying your ignorance so prominently and so frequently is beyond me. You can find the details at the Wikipedia article on Tephra. Ash is the smallest classification of tephra. --Percy
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edge Member (Idle past 1733 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I can't say I'm certain in my terminology, so if Edge or someone wants to jump in then please feel free.
Well, geological terminology is not something that one just jumps into after reading a few websites. The science is old and has a lot of terms that are overused and misunderstood even by people with degrees. Hence, the therm geological column becomes kind of a vague idea. Speaking precisely, I would prefer the term stratigraphic column. This would emphasize the fact that it is the rocks themselves that determine its composition and that each location on earth is different to some degree from other locations. The geological timescale is something different and simply denotes different time intervals in which the rocks were deposited. These are based on life patterns, or the types of fossils found during each interval. For instance "Mesozoic" means 'middle life', and Paleozoic means old life and so on. Now, of course, we are seeing the advent of the term 'Anthropocene' with an obvious meaning. I have yet to accept that since it seems a bit arrogant to assume that we will have a very long tenure on the planet. WE are not even a pixel on the screen yet. So the time scale is like a tape on which certain life patterns are recorded. Depending on where you are, you get different recordings, and in some places there is nothing to record while in others it has been erased by erosion. Consquently, there is really no such thing as THE geological column. Faith seems to think that the Grand Canyon geological column is essentially representative of the entire world, while, realistically, it isn't even representative of Arizona.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I see no deposits on top of the Holocene there.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes it is too much of a stretch. I see nothing being deposited on top of the Holocene.
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