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Author Topic:   Presuppositionalism
ringo
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Message 95 of 142 (819969)
09-15-2017 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Phat
09-15-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Evidently Not
Phat writes:
Assuming that we could agree that every God is Theistic, by definition.
Every God is Theistic but every god may not be. Is deism closer to Theism or atheism?

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ringo
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Message 98 of 142 (819973)
09-15-2017 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
09-15-2017 12:47 PM


Re: Perseverence
Ringo writes:
As it is now, I only see you attempting to muck up the water so that it becomes harder to see the fish in the pond.
You want me to leave the water clear so you can shoot fish in a barrel?
Phat writes:
I would argue that understanding by definition is always evolving.
That's why we can never stop questioning our understanding.

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ringo
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Message 100 of 142 (819976)
09-15-2017 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
09-15-2017 12:50 PM


Re: Evidently Not
Phat writes:
Seems to me its closest to pantheism.
So is pantheism closer to Theism or atheism?
Phat writes:
... I cannot conceive of a natural order with no personal authority behind it.
Can you picture God making every crystal personally out of His celestial tinker toys? Or personally lighting the fuse on every molecule of hydrogen in the Hindenberg? To me the idea of a personal authority behind natural order just seems silly.

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ringo
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Message 103 of 142 (819980)
09-15-2017 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Phat
09-15-2017 1:03 PM


Re: Evidently Not
Phat writes:
Damned if He does and damned if he doesn't.
But he's okay if he isn't.
The problem with (your brand of) theism is that you can't have it both ways. You can't give God the credit for all of the good in the world and put the blame on yourself for all of the bad. Either He is the Creator of all things seen and unseen or He isn't.

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ringo
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Message 104 of 142 (819981)
09-15-2017 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Phat
09-15-2017 1:00 PM


Re: Common Sense, Non-Sense, and lack of evidence
Phat writes:
My point is this: How would God remove every possibility of death or dismemberment out of the way of his children? I mean seriously stop and attempt to imagine the world with no danger.
That's my point. I can't imagine a world without danger - and I can't imagine a God who would allow those dangers. That's why gods seem so unlikely.
Phat writes:
My point (I think.. ) is that demanding that God allow nobody to die or get hurt would change the world we live into something else entirely.
My point is that the world we live in IS entirely different from a world with a loving God.
Phat writes:
I claim that the world as e know it would be impossible if God intervened more.
I claim that the world as we know it indicates that there is no loving God.

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ringo
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Message 110 of 142 (820346)
09-19-2017 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
09-18-2017 1:42 PM


Re: Faith (our beloved member) and Presuppositionalism
Faith writes:
I'm against the specific sciences of the past, Old Earth Geology and evolution from species to species.
If you reject geology, you're rejecting chemistry and physics - not to mention mathematics.

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ringo
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Message 120 of 142 (820432)
09-20-2017 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
09-19-2017 10:48 PM


Re: Faith (our beloved member) and Presuppositionalism
Faith writes:
I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
The Old Earth is not an interpretive scheme. It's an indisputable fact. No other "interpretation" works. You can't reject the conclusion without rejecting the entire process.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 122 of 142 (820437)
09-20-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
09-20-2017 3:30 PM


Re: Faith (our beloved member) and Presuppositionalism
Faith writes:
I disagree, sorry.
You can disagree until the cows come home. Your opinion is worthless.

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