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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Muav channels were clearly formed after the strata were all in place by liquefied limestone running between the layers.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: What makes it "obvious"? Explain.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think the monadnocks were pushed up into the still-wet layers after they were all laid down, as part of the tectonic upheaval that occurred at that point, that tilted the blocks we see as the Great Unconformity and pushed them up against the Tapeats, raising it along with the whole stack. The evidence is the curve in the Tapeats over those blocks of the GU, and in fact the curve of the entire stack, into which the canyon itself was cut at the Permian/Kaibab level. (This whole upheaval also put strain on the uppermost strata a mile or more above the Kaibab, which is what began the formation of the canyon by creating cracks in them. That uppermost strata broke up, the Flood waters were receding at this point, in fact probably began to receded as part of this upheaval, poured into the cracks, widening and deepening them, taking chunks of strata with it, and so the canyon was formed. Also the Grand Staircase was formed at the saqme time.)
Yes of course I'm repeating myself, it's what I think happened. And the reason the faults in the GU stop at the Tapeats is because they were forming at the same time the whole block was being pushed up and sliding under the Tapeats. There was no continuous contact for them to continue upward due to the slippage between the layers. And all this also occurred in conjunction with the volcanism which became the Cardenas layer as well as the flow in the canyon itself, which formed both the granite and the schist beneath the Tapeats. All in one gigantic post-Flood upheaval. (In fact I've come to think of this as a worldwide event, accounting for all the angular unconformities, all the tectonic stress in all the strata everywhere, all the twisting and upending of the rocks etc., as the continents split apart. All happening as the Flood began to recede, all connected with this tectonic movement of the continents. So the Siccar Point angular unconformity would have occurred at this time too). Further evidence for the timing is that the granite and schist are confined beneath the Tapeats just as the Great Unconformity faults are. The monadnocks are made of that very hard rock I can't at the moment remember the name of {abe: ah, quartzite! /abe} and they were hard enough due to the pressure of all the sub-Tapeats goings-on to be pushed up into the still-damp sediments above, which then settled around them. It all works. You won't accept it but it does all work. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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The Muav channels were clearly formed after the strata were all in place by liquefied limestone running between the layers. How can you possibly say that is "clear"? It is far from being clear that "liquefied limestone" even exists and that the channels in the Muav were cut by this fictitious material. You could possibly say that "maybe liquefied limestone ran between the layers and carved the channels." But to say it is "clearly" the case and that we must all be blind to not see it is beyond ridiculous. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It doesn't look like a surface river bed, it has no features of a riverbed whatever, it's smooth and bald, it looks like a channel cut between the layers, and since it's filled with limestone which often dissolves, forming karsts and so on, which are also in evidence in the GC, it is the best explanation.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
It doesn't look like a surface river bed, it has no features of a riverbed whatever, it's smooth and bald, it looks like a channel cut between the layers, and since it's filled with limestone which often dissolves, forming karsts and so on, which are also in evidence in the GC, it is the best explanation. ABE: They sure don't look like karsts. But Yea, sure, whatever .... What about the paleosols? What cockamamie idea do have about how paleosols with intact termite nests and roots are preserved? HBD Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course they don't look like karsts, the liquid was running and formed a channel. Karsts form more chaotically.
As for paleosols and termite nests you'd have to show me a picture. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The smooth half-moon shape of the channel.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
As for paleosols and termite nests you'd have to show me a picture. Uhmm... Message 704Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The Muav channels were clearly formed after the strata were all in place by liquefied limestone running between the layers. And what is the process, procedure, model, method or mechanism that will liquefy limestone?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Those pictures don't help I'm afraid. I can't picture how the items were found in situ from such displays. I don't get what the problem is anyway.
Paleosols were probably just organically rich soils that were compressed in the laying down of the strata. Don't have any idea where the supposed termite nests fit into the scenario. Perhaps they too were sandwiched between layers?
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Limestone isn't liquid. It's stone.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That's not an explanation, isn't true and doesn't give any reason to think your "liquid limestone" is needed at all. How about including the reasoning? For reference, here is Percy's image of the channel again - you will note that the yellow line indicating the channel is nowhere near a "smooth half-moon shape"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
See Wikipedia article on "Karst"
Karst topography is a landscape formed from the dissolution of soluble rocks such as limestone, dolomite, and gypsum. It is characterized by underground drainage systems with sinkholes and caves.[1] It has also been documented for more weathering-resistant rocks, such as quartzite, given the right conditions. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm remembering a different picture. But this one tpo just looks like a smooth-cut channel filled with limestone. A riverbed would have a thick bed of pebbles and stones at the bottom, this is just a smooth surface.
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