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Message 136 of 606 (819902)
09-15-2017 12:56 AM


Other Causes and Cures of Vertigo Attacks
I've had a few episodes of dizziness myself over the last couple of years, one quite severe that lasted about half an hour. It woke me up in the middle of the night and I had to sit extremely still to tolerate it. But I had none of the other symptoms of Meniere's so it probably had some other cause. Mentioned it to my doctor who said there are too many things that can cause dizziness so it has to become frequent before a diagnosis becomes clear, or before it's worth doing the testing required to find out what it is.
Just taking deep breaths and getting more oxygen into your system can help in some cases.
And there is a disease that's somewhat similar to Meniere's called Positional Something or Other in which the dizzy spells can be stopped by a vigorous shaking of the head especially when lying across a bed and holding the head down off the side, to move around some crystals in the inner ear that are somehow not doing what they are supposed to do. Sorry I'm vague about this but there should be some information on it out there.
And some kinds of vertigo attacks can be managed with an antinausea drug called Meclizine.
And sometimes these spells are symptoms of some other disease or condition which needs to be diagnosed, which turned out to be the case with Ramoss' friend.
Meniere's is a syndrome unto itself however. It often starts with ringing in one ear and a growing deafness in that ear, before it brings on dizzy spells. After it fully develops into the debilitating vertigo attacks the tinnitus may become louder and continuous even during the times between the vertigo attacks. My brother has had periods of freedom from the dizzy spells that even last a few weeks, as well as periods where they occur every other day or so, and they vary from half an hour to as long as fifteen hours in one case, but the tinnitus never goes away.
I didn't mention that one of the clues to the connection with herpes comes from autopsies that have revealed the presence of a herpes lesion in the inner ear.
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Message 137 of 606 (819905)
09-15-2017 1:50 AM


Value of Juicing
Listening to the third session of Chris Wark's ten-day blitz of his discussions of how he beat cancer.
In this third module he describes his juicing regime: carrots, celery, beets and ginger root, 64 ounces a day made in the morning, refrigerated, and drunk a glass at a time over the day. He goes into the nutrients in each of these vegetables (starting about 13 on the counter, he gives more rationale if you start a bit earlier and gets into more juice versions if you listen longer, as well as salad recommendations).
I'm not going to promise it will cure anything but I would certainly say juices, even carrot alone, can only help and couldn't possibly hurt no matter what your state of health or unhealth and should promote much better health in any case. (A lot of carrot juice will turn you orange but it's harmless)
Each module is only up for 24 hours so if you want to hear this one it will be up until mid afternoon tomorrow (about 18 hours from now):
SQUARE ONE - Module-3-Implementing the Anti-Cancer Diet (LIVE) - SQUARE ONE
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Message 138 of 606 (819908)
09-15-2017 3:19 AM


A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Sorry, I first described this as about the effect of vegetable juices but really it's just about the vegetable itself, eaten raw or made into a smoothie or blended and cooked as a soup. I got confused because they had to juice them to get the extract for the study.
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In this same Module Three of Chris Wark's ten-day video talks,
SQUARE ONE - Module-3-Implementing the Anti-Cancer Diet (LIVE) - SQUARE ONE
around 25 on the counter he talks about a study in which extracts of different vegetables, juiced for the study, were dripped onto cancer cells to find out if they did anything. He says garlic turned out to be the most potent anti-cancer vegetable, and leeks came in second, which is in the same family as garlic. The second most potent category was cruciferous vegetables, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, etc. Followed by spinach and beet root.
These he includes in a salad twice every day with other vegetables which he lists but he says you can also blend it all together and drink it as a smoothie, or even cook it if rawness is too hard for you, and have it as a soup.
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Message 139 of 606 (820015)
09-15-2017 6:54 PM


Wark's next module starts soon
In two hours and six minutes. 9 pm eastern, 6 pm Pacific
abe: Times seem to be off, it started at 5 here. But it doesn't matter since it's available at any time during the 24 hours from its start. /abe
It's also on diet.
ABE: Corrected URL:
SQUARE ONE - Module-4-The Anti-Cancer Diet Part 2 (LIVE) - SQUARE ONE
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Message 140 of 606 (820039)
09-16-2017 2:28 AM
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Module 4 is also about diet
Correct URL:
SQUARE ONE - Module-4-The Anti-Cancer Diet Part 2 (LIVE) - SQUARE ONE
This one starts off with fruits, how they stack up as cancer fighters. Cranberries come out on top, then lemons. Berries in general. And an odd fruit called Amla which tastes terrible so you have to get it in powder form but has the highest cancer-fighting ability.
He then gets into meats which are to be eaten only in very small quantities if at all, and he goes off the rails on this one in my opinion when he talks about the standards God gave the Israelites as if it had anything to do with health. If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't. I do think it makes sense to avoid meat from animals that have been treated with hormones and antibiotics or fed anything grown with pesticides etc. or animals or fish that take in a lot of environmental pollutants. You can destroy bacteria by thorough cooking but nothing will remove these drugs and chemicals.
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Message 141 of 606 (820123)
09-16-2017 1:30 PM
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09-15-2017 3:19 AM


Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Hi Faith,
he talks about a study in which extracts of different vegetables, juiced for the study, were dripped onto cancer cells to find out if they did anything.
Remember how I mentioned in Message 57 how William Li distinguishes between "results in a petri dish and results in a person"? Well apparently Wark doesn't distinguish. That's crazy.
There's a world of difference between in vitro results (in a Petri dish) and in vivo results (in a living organism). After all, if I pour liquid hot magma onto a Petri dish full of cancer cells, the cancer will die! That still doesn't mean that you should try and treat your cancer by swallowing molten lava six times a day.
The type of study that Wark describes here should only ever be the starting point for studying a potential treatment. Countless compounds have shown promise in vitro only to completely fail when given to actual living organisms. This is sad but true and quite well known. That Wark seems unconcerned about this is one of the reasons why I call him a crank. If he is presenting these results as meaningful, then he's misrepresenting the data.
So once again; alt-med cranks are a great source of juice recipes but a lousy source of medical advice.
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Message 142 of 606 (820130)
09-16-2017 1:57 PM
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Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Wark does distinguish, he says only that it's worth trying based on the study.

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Message 143 of 606 (820152)
09-16-2017 3:21 PM
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Re: Module 4 is also about diet
If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't
Do you honestly not see the gaping hole in this argument?

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Message 144 of 606 (820191)
09-17-2017 7:58 AM
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Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Wark does distinguish, he says only that it's worth trying based on the study.
Well he's wrong. In vitro trials are not good enough evidence to claim efficacy in vivo. Wark ought to know this but apparently doesn't know or doesn't care.
You have to understand that just because a compound is effective in a Petri dish doesn't mean that it's going to work in a person. It is extremely common for a promising compound to show activity in a cell culture in a Petri dish, only for that promise to completely disappear when it's exposed to actual clinical conditions. Not all compounds are bioavailable for example. Some compounds break down in the body far too quickly to have any effect. There are simply too many confounding factors to be able to claim efficacy in patients based only on in vitro studies.
Making the kind of claims that Wark seems to be making is grossly irresponsible. He is, at the most generous assessment, deeply ignorant. At a less generous assessment, he is a charlatan making a fortune from shilling bogus "cures" to desperate and vulnerable people. Either way, he has no place offering anyone medical advice.
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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Message 145 of 606 (820197)
09-17-2017 1:32 PM
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09-17-2017 7:58 AM


Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Why is it I have the feeling you haven't heard anything he's said on these videos? Could it be because you haven't?
Do remember, we're talking about everyday fruits and vegetables here, foods we all eat as part of our normal diet from time to time anyway. What could be wrong with eating a lot more of them, and what could possibly be wrong with eating more of those that kill more cancer cells in a petri dish just in case it makes a difference?
He also gives more anecdotal evidence about the efficacy of carrot juice in particular with various cancers, as told to him by different people. Adding to my own impression of its great value. One woman told him she drank 40 ounces a day after being diagnosed with a stage four cancer, I forget which cancer, without changing anything else in her diet or lifestyle, and the cancer went away. Interestingly carrots didn't score anywhere on these studies of what kills cancer cells in petri dishes.
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Message 146 of 606 (820233)
09-17-2017 10:32 PM
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Re: Module 4 is also about diet
If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't.
Do you honestly not see the gaping hole in this argument?
See no hole, please point it out.

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Message 147 of 606 (820234)
09-17-2017 10:34 PM
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Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
He gives many caveats about his views not being intended as medical advice, and about consulting with your doctor before changing your diet.

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Message 148 of 606 (820282)
09-18-2017 2:32 PM
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Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
Why is it I have the feeling you haven't heard anything he's said on these videos? Could it be because you haven't?
Could be. I'm not about to wade through hours of tedious crank videos. If you have evidence you wish to bring to bear, go ahead, I'm listening. But you know the forum rule about bare links just as well as I do.
Do remember, we're talking about everyday fruits and vegetables here, foods we all eat as part of our normal diet from time to time anyway.
Really? You eat amla fruit every day? Personally, I skipped mine this morning, cos it's foul.
What could be wrong with eating a lot more of them,
Nothing. That's not my objection. I'm objecting to the notion that drinking vegetable juice is going to have any significant effect on cancer.
If all that Wark was saying was that juiced fruit and veg are tasty and jolly healthy, I'd have no problem with any of it. Instead, he just has to go too far and claim that juicing will help fight cancer. It won't, or at the most generous assessment, Wark has no good evidence upon which to make that claim.
and what could possibly be wrong with eating more of those that kill more cancer cells in a petri dish just in case it makes a difference?
It relies upon the entirely false claim that there is a significant relationship between fighting cell cultures in vitro and fighting cancerous tumours in vivo. Promoting that lie is unethical. It gives people false hope and, at worst, might encourage them to abandon real medicine in favour of quackery.
He also gives more anecdotal evidence about the efficacy of carrot juice in particular with various cancers, as told to him by different people. Adding to my own impression of its great value.
I think that you're placing way too much trust in anecdotal data.
One woman told him she drank 40 ounces a day after being diagnosed with a stage four cancer, I forget which cancer, without changing anything else in her diet or lifestyle, and the cancer went away.
Another worthlessly vague anecdote. Either this woman is missing out significant details (like, you know, surgery) or she's full of it. I see no reason to believe that far-fetched tale without evidence.
Interestingly carrots didn't score anywhere on these studies of what kills cancer cells in petri dishes.
Almost as if there's no meaningful relationship between what works in a test tube and what works in a person.
He gives many caveats about his views not being intended as medical advice, and about consulting with your doctor before changing your diet
Yes, he issues the standard Quack Miranda.
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The quack Miranda warning is a term used by skeptics to describe the text which the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) requires that all labels and marketing materials for products sold as dietary supplements carry, in boldface type:
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
The name is a reference to the Miranda warning used by law enforcement agencies. It is also used by websites selling a variety of alternative medicine products and unproven devices.
All quacks do this. It's a standard part of their bag of tricks. "This isn't medical advice!" they insist, before lecturing us on the best ways to fight cancer. What is that if not medical advice? "I'm not a doctor!" they protest, as they launch into another spiel about how your doctor is poisoning you. It's fundamentally dishonest. Wark can lie to camera all he likes, he very clearly is issuing medical advice and the fact that he hides behind disclaimers like this only serves to illustrate his hypocrisy.
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On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Message 149 of 606 (820284)
09-18-2017 2:49 PM
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Carrot juice
Well, I'm a big fan of carrot juice and I do believe the anecdotes about its curing some cancers. There are just too many such stories to ignore. It would be very nice if somebody did a controlled experiment with it of course and I hope somebody will get around to it.
I figured out that it takes about five pounds of carrots to get a quart of juice. He did two quarts a day -- thirty ten-pound bags a month! Yikes! That's a LOT of carrots. Gerson prescribes three quarts plus, but maybe only the 40 ounces that one woman reported is enough in many cases.

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Message 150 of 606 (820295)
09-18-2017 6:57 PM
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Re: Carrot juice - a couple of testimonials
Found a cancer survivor on Chris Wark's site who says she did only a quart a day on cancer in her lungs:
Ann Cameron Cured Her Stage 4 Cancer with Carrot Juice, Nothing Else
To reprise my progress:
Two weeks after starting the carrots, there was no improvement.

Eight weeks after starting the carrots, the tumors had stopped growing and were shrinking.

Four months after starting the carrots, all the lymph nodes in my lungs had returned to normal.
Eight months after starting, there was no sign of cancer anywhere in my body.

I believe that a newly diagnosed person like me, still in generally good health, could safely put off chemotherapy for eight weeks to see if five pounds of carrots daily, as juice, will halt the growth of cancer. If the carrots work, one might continue postponing chemo as long as the carrots continue to arrest the cancer and, one hopes, eventually eliminate it entirely. My latest CT scan (July 30, 2013) proves this has happened for me.
The carrot cure also worked for Ralph Cole’s squamous cell cancers. I think they probably will work against a wide range of cancers. The effective ingredient in the carrots is falcarinol, which has been proved effective against cancer in lab experiments with rats and mice done in Denmark and the UK. Using carrots or falcarinol, Dr. Kirsten Brandt and colleagues in the UK have retarded by a third the growth of tumors in lab rats injected with a carcinogen. They have fed the rats and mice what proportionately in humans would be a pound and a half of carrots. Drinking the juice from five pounds of carrots daily, as Ralph and I have done, is a human equivalent dose more than triple what Dr. Brandt gave the rats. I hope that many people and organizations will help fund her work, which so far has struggled to find strong financial backing.
She refers to another person whose story is also on the site:
Ralph Cole cured his cancer with carrot juice in 2006
He did three cups of juice for a while and then realized he needed to do more. Three wasn't getting rid of the cancers but five did. He writes:
It remains to be determined whether every cancer, or every individual’s metabolism, responds to carrot juice. But until actually researched, it remains a possibility. I have yet to meet a person that juiced carrots for cancer and was unhappy with the result. I know of three people, myself and two others, that juiced 5 pounds per day. Each of us had our tumors shrink. That’s not a lot to draw on. But if the hospital gave me a 30% chance of surviving 5 years or more evenwiththeir treatment, then that means they must be failing to cure 2 out of 3 of their patients with the symptoms I had. And both of the women I am talking about had much more advanced cancers than I had.
... hope you will investigate for yourself the curative power of carrot juice wherever and whenever the opportunity presents itself. And I should also mention that drinking carrot juice has many other health benefits, intestinal cleansing (it cured both my acne and pre-cancerous scales I used to get), and other sites on the net report that a carrot a day reduces the risk of cancer. One article claims that eating one carrot every day reduces the risk of cancer by 60%.
If you ever have an opportunity to observe the growth of a cancer in your own body either visually or through body scans, try carrot juice first; once you determine that it can control your cancer, you can experiment with other things to see if they work too, knowing that you can go back to carrot juice. This is the kind of research that is needed, and your experience will be of value to others.
If you doubt anything I have said, find someone with cancer and juice for them, and find out for yourself what happens. You can also get in touch with me. But regardless of whether you can reach me, or even what happens to me, you can trust in my experience with carrot juice as if it was your own.At the risk of sounding overly dramatic, I will consciously avoid the greater risk of being overly cautious, by stating what I believe in my soul to be true: millions of lives are at stake. I hope you will join me in making this cause your own.
I can be reached through my blog CancerIsOver.org
-Ralph
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