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Faith 
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Message 821 of 899 (820230)
09-17-2017 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 820 by edge
09-17-2017 7:57 PM


Re: physical impossibiity
there's actually a lot of evidence on the cross section that I've made use of. The rise in the stack of strata could only have occurred after they were all in place, the confinement of the magma beneath the Tapeats is likewise evidence that the strata were already there, and my hypothesis that the GU was sliding between the two levels completes the picture.
(ABE: As a matter of fact the giant quartzite boulder that is embedded in the Tapeats sandstone some distance above the GU line, that is shown in the British Creationist video that I've posted here before, is evidence of this sliding since it is a quarter of a mile from its point of origin. The British Creationists interpret that as evidence for a slurry flow but I think my interpretation works better./ABE)
And what actual evidence do you have that the sediments deposited slowly around the gigantic quartzite monadnock? Even quartzite breaks down under that much exposure. You think it just remained there thrust, what is it, 800 feet toward the sky for millions upon millions of years?
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Message 823 of 899 (820238)
09-18-2017 6:18 AM
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09-18-2017 1:24 AM


Re: physical impossibiity
Just because you can explain the boulder in some other way doesn't make your explanation the correct one. How does your explanation account for the boulder's being a quarter mile from its source?
Erosion to the same level is explained by the movement of the GU. It's not going to differentiate between the heights, it's going to abrade them to the same level because it can't do anything else. abe: sort of like how an extremely heavy object would lop of protrusions of different heights to the same level just because it's so heavy.
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Message 832 of 899 (820279)
09-18-2017 1:45 PM
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09-18-2017 9:27 AM


Re: physical impossibiity
THE UPWARD MOVEMENT OCCURS THROUGH THE LATERAL TECTONIC PUSH. SO DOES THE TILT. AND YES I HAVE THOUGHT ALL THAT THROUGH. THE ABRADED MATERIAL DOESN'T GET REMOVED, IT GETS PUSHED SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE VISIBLE ON MOST INVESTIGATIONS.
INTERESTING YOU ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER A CREATIONIST EXPLANATION, THE DEBRIS FLOW, TO EXPLAIN THE MOVEMENT OF THE QUARTZITE BOULDER. INTERESTING THAT THERE IS NO EXPLANATION OFFERED FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
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Message 833 of 899 (820280)
09-18-2017 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 825 by edge
09-18-2017 8:43 AM


Re: physical impossibiity
This is absolutely bizarre. Here you are talking about the source of a boulder, and you were talking about the monadnocks; but at the same time you're saying everything was planed off to a flat surface. Monadnocks are, by definition, not flat.
HOW YOU GET THIS OUT OF ANYTHING I SAID IS BEYOND ME. THE BOULDER POINT WAS AN ASIDE, NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE MONADNOCK. THE MONADNOCK WAS HARD ENOUGH TO RESIST BEING PLANED OFF SO IT GOT PUSHED UP INTO THE STRATA ABOVE. I'D HAVE TO SEE A MORE COMPLETE DIAGRAM TO KNOW IF IT BROKE OFF OR WHERE IT BROKE OFF.

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Message 841 of 899 (820302)
09-18-2017 9:53 PM
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09-18-2017 9:37 PM


Re: physical impossibiity
Without leaving any evidence of deformation in the overlying rocks.
Sure.
There probably is some evidence but it's not exposed.
Besides the sediments were wet so they'd just settle back to their condition before being disturbed.
Why should it look like stripped gears if the sediments were still wet? And again, there may be evidence that just happens to be out of sight.
The evidence of the whole stack's being lifted is quite clear on the cross section as I've many times pointed out. The strata would not deposit over a hill like that, they had to have been pushed up.

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Message 843 of 899 (820305)
09-19-2017 2:01 AM
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09-18-2017 10:33 PM


Re: physical impossibiity
What is the need for the snarky tone? Really. I'm trying to build on my model or hypothesis or whatever, and I'm making use of the evidence I have available, and I'm not trying to hide anything, I'm just trying to get it all to work together based on the evidence I have. I know it's galling to you that I don't accept standard geological interpretations and I'm truly sorry that everything I say is so offensive to you.
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Faith 
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Message 858 of 899 (820373)
09-19-2017 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 855 by Aussie
09-19-2017 3:05 PM


Re: evidence of God
No, that is not true of the Koran, as I said.

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Message 860 of 899 (820385)
09-19-2017 10:40 PM
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09-19-2017 7:50 PM


Re: evidence of God
the number of times you have violated the rule against arguing the person is getting pretty high. And then you actually deny it in at least one place. I'd already answered Aussie, he was just aping me and repeating himself.

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Message 870 of 899 (820468)
09-21-2017 9:47 AM


Harvey the Hurricane Hawk Released
Turns out he's a she.
The final chapter in the hawk's story as they take her to a park and let her fly into the woods.

  
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Message 876 of 899 (820507)
09-21-2017 3:27 PM
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09-21-2017 2:39 PM


Re: Learning How Others Think
I doubt I felt I "couldn't be wrong" about the map, I simply read it the way I read it as anyone would do, until I became aware of lines I hadn't been able to see before.

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Faith 
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Message 878 of 899 (820515)
09-21-2017 10:27 PM
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09-21-2017 7:30 PM


Re: Learning How Others Think
I don't recall any certainty, just interpreting the map according to what I saw. And for the record I'm not certain about a lot of my interpretations, but when I get back the usual slap in the face for anything I say before I've had a chance to work on it a while and see how far I can take it I'm sure I go on defending it anyway, I have to until I've worked it through. I suppose a debate forum isn't the best place for working out one's thoughts, but it has been very helpful for me for that purpose: I do adjust my theories according to what I get back. At the moment I'm on a strike against some really offensive personal comments. Even though this is treated as my modus operandi, it isn't, it's a new thing. Oh sure I do it myself, and you all can point that out too, but I'm not taking the really egregious stuff that's been thrown at me recently, if I miss whole posts for that reason they are no loss to me.

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Faith 
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Message 881 of 899 (820518)
09-21-2017 10:57 PM
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09-21-2017 10:45 PM


Re: Learning How Others Think
Yes I AM certain about those things, that's quite true.

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