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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Taking the basic information from the True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing thread, just my posts with links to the relevant posts in the thread.
This is an example of how science information changes as new information is added and corrections are made based on new evidence. The purpose is to show that while changes, additions, deletions, modifications are made, the basic overall information remains the same, and what is changing is the fine details. Enjoy These are just the cladograms, with changes in orange from one to the next. See the messages referenced for details. Starting with the original from Palaeos.com
Message 109 (excerpt): Archonta Message 135 (excerpt): Archonta Message 138 (excerpt): Archonta Message 143 (excerpt): Archonta Message 144 (excerpt): Archonta Message 145 (excerpt): Archonta Message 147 (excerpt): Archonta Message 148 (excerpt): Archonta by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Adding in information from Caffeine Message 150, work in progress:
Note on symbols used: └─┬─A A and B are sister clades with a common ancestor, and an equivalent cladogram would be └─┬─B while └─A shows A is a parent clade and B is a daughter (nested) clade Archonta This covers the living species, extinct species will need to be added. Plus primates in the
clades. Only the left-most path leads from Archonta to Homo sapiens, this is our ancestral lineage. All other branches lead to other species, living and extinct, and thus this does not show a "chain of life" with all evolution leading to man. This also shows the pattern of nested clades that is predicted by the Theory of Evolution. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : finished for now Edited by RAZD, : links Edited by RAZD, : tarsiiformes Edited by RAZD, : added end Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Let me start by saying I had no idea how many different families, genera and species there were of bushbabies.
Adding the Lorisiformes: Archonta There also seems to be some disagreement on whether Lorisiformes are a subbranch of Lemuriformes, like Indrioidea and Lemuroidea. So I have kept the Palaeos version for now. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Please promote so I can get some feedback
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The division of other lemurs into Lemuroidea and Indroidea is uncertain. I am assuming that in this classification Lemuroidea=Lemuridae, and Indroidea=all other lemurs. This is the topology you tend to get in studies of only living lemurs, but there are several extinct families of lemur from which we have DNA, since they only went extinct recently. Studies incorporating these (eg. Herera et al., 2016 and Orlando et. al 2008) tend to find indriids and lemurids to be sister groups among living lemurs; with cheirogaleids (dwarf and mouse lemurs) and lepilemurids (sportive lemurs) being successive sister groups to the lemurid-indriid clade. Having relied heavily on wiki, and seeing that even wiki has different arrangements on different pages, I would not be surprised. As of yesterday I now have the book The Tree of Life by Lecontre & La Guyader (Harvard Press 2006) and have waded through the preface and into the introduction. Quick scan through shows lots of cladogram pylogenies. Probably more confusion will ensue.
Now, I'm happy to go on about the most controversial and contested parts of this phylogeny, but I'm not really sure if this is the point of the thread or not. It would be interesting to show the different arrangements side by each. Maybe with a table?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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My latest update:
Archonta I like the idea, but it should be emphasised that what you've shown above are not disagreements. Every taxonomist in the whole world agrees on the relationship between lemurs and galagos. There is no controversy. What you're presenting is a controversy over taxonomic rank, and is clear evidence why the concept of taxonomic rank should be abolished. I have employed the -?- to show the optional paths, as the original authors used in other locations. This leaves Lemuroidea and Adapiformes, including Dawinus. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : simplified Lorisiformes diagraming Edited by RAZD, : subtby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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