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Author | Topic: "The Flood" deposits as a sea transgressive/regressive sequence ("Walther's Law") | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They aren't going to bend neatly as a block if they are completely lithified. That they do bend together as a unit is evidence that they were all malleable, all of the same age, not millions of years apart.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: No, it doesn't. As has been shown in previous discussions. Multiple events separated by long periods of time works much better to actually explain the evidence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Also where there is tectonic deformation, with the one exception of angular unconformities, the strata are defomed in a whole block of them at once. You have never provided evidence for this. You have only repeated the claim over and over. I don't remember but I think I must have posted pictures of what I have in mind. The hard thing would be to find a case where they didn't deform in blocks. There is no such thing as one layer being deformed in a different way from the others above and below it. There is no such thing as different layers all being deformed in different ways, but that is what one would expect would happen if each was laid down in a separate time frame millions of years from all the others and tectonically deformed in its own time frame.
Just a few examples of strata all laid down horizontally before being deformed altogether in a block by a tectonic event. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm so sorry, but I disagree with you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh I may hope but I don't really expect anybody to take anything I say seriously now because your heads are all wrapped up in the established errors of current Geology, but if the world continues for a while, and who knows, eventually I would think the truth might win out.
Actually I don't get most of what you are saying in that post anyway, it doesn't make sense. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If you choose to disagree with obvious truths that is up to you. But it hardly makes a convincing argument. You really would do better here if you made more of an effort to get things right.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
70% of the Earth is currently seeing this type of deposition. Not happening the way the Stratigraphic Column was built. It was not built in basins or at the bottom of the sea, the strata were laid out flat and horizontal, and that is not happening now. The Stratigraphic Column is over and done with. It was all laid down in the Single event of the Flood, one layer after another over a period of about a year, it's done.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nothing you've posted even touches on my model.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Plenty of it was. How can you not know that ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None of it was, it was all laid down in the Flood, one on top of another one after another. Look at them, they are all identical in form among all the other evidence I've given for the Flood and against the Geo Time Scale.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: That's your assumption, but the evidence says otherwise.
quote: Maybe you should listen to the people who actually look at them, rather than relying on a few photographs which almost always show only a cross-section and often make it hard to pick out details.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No, you see nothing like what I'm describing, you see no massive erosion between any layers, and there should be a lot between all of them if the standard interpretation is true. That would be visible from miles away and would distort the layers beyond recognition. That doesn't exist but without it there is nothing at all to suggest there was ever such a thing as a time period of millions of years anywhere in those layers. Sadly, for you, denial does not make the evidence go away. Your personal opinion has no effect on the actual evidence of old age of the earth.
Sorry about the Kaibab squirrel. ... But it is emblematic of how well you research your evidence ... you just grab the first thing that looks like what you want.
... I can't find a map of the geographic extent of the Kaibab limestone, but I found this description at Wikipedia for "Kaibab Limestone": Again you only take the part that interests you.
quote: quote: Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood makes metamorphic rock in one location and not in another?
quote: quote: Sounds (a) like the diverse assemblage of materials you described for non-flood sedimentation and (b) the gradation of material described by Walther's Law (more on this later).
quote: quote: Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood makes evaporites in one location and not in another? Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood makes evaporites between layers of sediment deposition? Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood even makes evaporites at all?
quote: We've talked before about how fragile fossils are preserved in the geological record, and here we have them again, in one of the later deposits of your purported magic carpet flying flood, which has gone through your most extreme destructive phases. Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood only places Permian invertebrates and vertebrates in the Kaibab formation?
quote: Whoo Boyo ... that sure sounds like Walther's Law again. Especially when you superimpose this depositional environment on top of a layer of evaporites ... Can you explain how your magic carpet flying flood mimics this depositional environment evidence -- with frequent shifts in water depths over period long enough for the specific types of sediment to form distinguishable layers? It seems to me that the Kaibab Limestone formation is no friend to your magic carpet flying flood concept -- it raises more questions than answers to how this formation could possibly form during your purported magic carpet flying flood event.
No, you see nothing like what I'm describing, you see no massive erosion between any layers, and there should be a lot between all of them if the standard interpretation is true. That would be visible from miles away and would distort the layers beyond recognition. ... Why? A lot of what between them? This seems to be your personal version of "the standard interpretation" that you argue against (ie - a straw man) and not any actual geological science interpretation of the actual evidence. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... I can't find a map of the geographic extent of the Kaibab limestone, but I found this description at Wikipedia for "Kaibab Limestone": Let me help you a little:
quote: "Shallow Marine Shelf Deposit" -- so we are back to Walther's Law again, providing the best explanation for the types of material this formation is composed of -- and we even have a worn away mountain range to provide erosional material for the formation -- the Uncompahgre mountains. But the big questions I have for you are: (1) Why is there a boundary/edge to this formation (and by extension, why are there boundaries/edges to ALL formations) if they are laid down in the world wide depositional environment of your purported magic flying carpet flood? (2) Why are there older formations that underlie this formation but rise to heights that appear to block its eastward extent if all the layers are laid down in a continuous flat process of your purported magic flying carpet flood?
... you see no massive erosion between any layers, and there should be a lot between all of them if the standard interpretation is true. That would be visible from miles away and would distort the layers beyond recognition. ... (3) Why would a seabed deposition always undergo massive erosion between layers that are explained by Walther's Law, and why would there necessarily always be distortion of these seabeds if the earth is old? Inquiring minds want to know. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Faith writes: Actually, the main thing is that there isn't a sane reason at all for there even to BE any strata to "evidence long periods of deposition." Why should there be ANY flat straight sedimentary rocks at all, let alone neatly stacked miles deep as we see for instance in the Grand Canyon? Most of the strata in the walls of the Grand Canyon are marine. They are flat and straight because lake and sea beds tend to be flat and straight, and a continual rain of sediments evens out any irregularities.
If you have continual deposition say from eroding mountains why should it be of any identifiable sediment rather than the tumble-down lumpy surface we see around us today? You live in Nevada. Here's an image of the Ruby Mountain Range viewed from the plains surrounding it:
The mountains in the distance will never be preserved in the geological record. That's because mountains are regions of net erosion, not deposition. The mountains are being gradually eroded away into fine particles that are eventually deposited on the very flat plains you see in the foreground. The only elements in this image that have even a prayer of being preserved in the geological record (i.e., buried) are the flat plains. Lake and sea bottoms, also mostly flat, have an even better chance of being buried and preserved in the geological record. That's why the strata you see are mostly flat.
The idea that there is eventually going to be another layer to commemorate today's "time period" with appropriate fossils is absurd,... No, it isn't absurd. It is precisely what one would expect given how natural processes work, which we understand very well since we can observe these natural processes taking place today before our very eyes. The appropriate adjective here is not "absurd" but other adjectives like "ignorance", "obtuseness" and "incomprehension". How strata deposit in the real world has been explained to you many, many times, including in this thread, and yet you continue arguing as if you hadn't read or understood a single word.
For the Geological Time Scale to be true, there should not be a Stratigraphic Column AT ALL. Given that the present is the key to the past, and given that in the present sediments continue to deposit at the lowest points the world over, columns of strata is exactly what we should expect to find, along with increasing radiometric age with increasing depth, and increasing difference of fossils from modern forms with increasing depth. What we would expect from a flood is undifferentiated mud and debris. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
First of all, why does it have to be one event? Because that best explains what is seen on the GS-GC cross section. This is wrong. But even accepting your premise that it does, the section shows me at least two tectonic events prior to the Paleozoic. I believe your geological training is insufficient to determine anything about the section.
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