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Author Topic:   If evolution is wrong, is Creation right?
mike the wiz
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Message 15 of 64 (82092)
02-02-2004 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
02-01-2004 11:20 PM


I notice that you haven't even tried to define "kind". If you're able to provide a functional definition of kind, you'd be the first ever to do so.
But he did offer you an explanation. He shown how an animal never becomes a different one. Can you show under experiment a human change into another kind?
Are you saing there is no humans because there is no kinds. Come on Crash - you wouldn't say that just for the "kinds" debate would you?
Why not? The only difference is genetics. And mutations change genetics. So the change is possible, however unlikely.
Yes. But like you - he can't believe this unless he sees it. You know, like that God person you seek evidence for.
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Dear Mike---
Welcome to the forum. A lot of people have said if evolution is not the truth Creation can't be. But if they're honest - they can't possibly know that for sure.
An evo once told me " we all believe in abiogenesis "
It's rather amusing since I believe in Genesis - You know, that original word = Creation. SO, Creation is a "absolute certainty" whereas evolution can be called a mere fact. Infact I personally would just call it a theory - as I have never seen it happen. People may say you're dogmatic e.t.c - it's best to shrug things like that off and stick to your guns, I can't see anything wrong with what you've said.

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mike the wiz
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Message 18 of 64 (82095)
02-02-2004 10:07 AM
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02-02-2004 9:47 AM


I don't know - I only know Neanderthal man seems to be human. As for the other extinct creatures, they look like apes creatures to me. But PLEASE let's not do a "line of" - I have accepted a "line of" is certainly evidence of diversity from an incredible Creator - and POSSIBLY evolution. But I am talking about absolute certainty do remember.
Dan - Leave me alone.

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mike the wiz
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Message 21 of 64 (82099)
02-02-2004 10:24 AM
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02-02-2004 10:13 AM


Well - I mean, I think "kinds" is more correct than "no kinds".
It is TOTALLY true that we produce after our kind. If you claim to not know what this means then you're are just being dishonest with yourselves. We all know what a dog is, are you saying you don't?
As evolutionists say this is very simple " cats and dogs " . We know that an apple will never become an orange. We know that a peerson will never become an ape. That may be simplistic, but it holds truth.
Maybe it's not helpful in biology, like you said, but the barrier is REAL untill we see a kind change.

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Message 28 of 64 (82114)
02-02-2004 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dan Carroll
02-02-2004 11:23 AM


So basically, in studying the ways in which life forms change over time, you want to only examine one specific point in time.
Ofcourse I don't mean to start an old battle of Uniformatarianism and Catastrophism but "the present is the key to the past" disregards the possibility of the past being a different place from the present. Take for instance in the days of Genesis, "it was good" and go look at it from the Catastrophism perspective and you'll have a new set of rules.

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